I own a male golden and lastyear I took him to mate with a friends female golden. When he got there he immediately tried to start mating but neve got any penetration. I left him over there for about 4-days and he never did penetrate. My friend also has a couple of other dogs but they are fixed and I thought this may be a distraction and maybe the reason why they didnt mate.
Well, my friend and I thought we would try again, only yesterday I brought her to my house. She is in the last stages of bleeding and he immediately is trying to breed with her. It is her first time. He is still not penetrating. Is it too early in her cycle or is something wrong? How long after she get through bleeding will she be in heat and when will she be fully ready. I think we may have missed it by a couple of days last time or something. My golden is 9-years old and very active so I dont think there is a problem there. Does it being her first time have anything to do with it? Is it too early in her cycle? Please somebody inform me on this subject because all I want is a puppy from my dog!!!!1

[reeskujo]

First of all if you need to be asking these questions you don't know enough to be breeding...Secondly it's obvious you don't know enough because you DO NOT breed a 9 yr.old dog!.....Do you realize that makes her about 63 yr.s old in human years?....Do you realize how many complications she can have delivering a litter of puppies at that age?....A breeding female should be retired no later then the age of 5!....I don't care how active she is you DO NOT breed a 9yr.old dog...Have they had genetic testing done?...Has their hips,heart and eyes been cleared?....Breeding is a lot more then sticking 2 dogs together and making puppies...Do you have her on nutritional supplements?....Can you afford an emergency c-section....Can you afford her vet care and the puppies after their born?....I think you should seriously think about this!

I believe it is the male that is the 9 yr old but I agree with all your cautions.

have both dogs been tested for STD's & brucellosis? as well as the other things mentioned? brucellosis causes abortions & dead births. goldens are especially prone to hip displasia. you dog could easily be carring either one as it sounds like he has been "bred before".

how old is the female.

right now there are 2,832 goldens & their mixes needing homes listed on petfinder, & that is just ONE message board. unfortunately 2/3rd's of those will probably be killed because there are no homes for them

for every puppy you are responsible for putting on the ground, one will die in a shelter.

I own the male he is 9-years old. I wouldnt breed a female over about 4-years old. They have both had their hips tested. They are both from Champion bloodline and they are both AKC registered and they both live inside and are fed Pedigree and to answer your question I have enough money to pay for any type of surgery my dog may need! Now can you give me some answers as to why they are not locking up instead of accusing me of breeding a nine year old female? Thank!:

Originally Posted by toddjinx

I own the male he is 9-years old. I wouldnt breed a female over about 4-years old. They have both had their hips tested. They are both from Champion bloodline and they are both AKC registered and they both live inside and are fed Pedigree and to answer your question I have enough money to pay for any type of surgery my dog may need! Now can you give me some answers as to why they are not locking up instead of accusing me of breeding a nine year old female? Thank!:

were their hips certified by OFA or just X-rayed by your vet? how about the other things they need to be checked for?

being from Champion blood lines really means nothing as far as breeding your dogs is concerned. the only way to assure that your dog meets the breed standard & is even worthy of breeding is to show in conformation AKC shows & get your dog titled.

AKC is simply a registry, it does not guarantee health or temperment. there are a lot of AKC registered dogs that come from puppy mills & back yard breeders ( which is what you are )

I'm glad they are house kept but Pedigree is absolute garbage - if you would like proof I will be glad to show you

[reeskujo]

I apologize for the misunderstanding about your dogs age...I do however agree with sue that AKC registration means nothing...Any purebred can be registered with them and I also agree withe The Pedigree issue...It is utter garbage

YOU SUGGEST SOME OTHER TYPE OF FOOD? And what about the questions Ive asked do you not have any answers you sure have answers for everything else other than what Ive asked. This website has no one of any knowledge of dogs.

there is no one food that is best for every dog. you have to educate yourself & then decide what you think will work for yours.

here are the ingredients in Pedigree - you didn't mention which one you are feeding so this is the lamb & rice

Ground Whole Corn, Chicken By-Product Meal, Wheat, Meat and Bone Meal, Animal Fat (preserved with BHA/BHT), Natural Poultry Flavor, Wheat Flour, Lamb, Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Wheat Gluten, Potassium Chloride, DiCalcium Phosphate, Vegetable Oil (Source of Linoleic Acid), Carmel Color, Dried Beet Pulp, Titanium Dioxide, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, dl-Alpha Tocopherol Acetate [Source of Vitamin E], L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate [Source of Vitamin C*], Vitamin A Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate [Vitamin B1], Biotin, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement [Vitamin B2], Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement), Minerals (Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Potassium Iodide), Added FD&C and Lake Colors (Yellow 6, Blue 2, Red 40, Yellow 5

first understand that the ingredients are listed in order of their weight in the food - so the thing listed first is the most & on down the line. corn, wheat & soy are known allergens to dogs & they do not digest corn.

see how far down the lamb is? & since it doesn't say lamb meal it is about 70% water - not much lamb eh? notice the bag says WITH lamb & rice.

artificial dyes contribute to cancer, so do BHA/BHT. corn guten is what caused all those deaths & recalls

now for the meat & bone meal: this info is from a book researched & written by Ann N. Martin. there is plenty of verification of this from other sources too. you are feeding your dogs euthanized animals

Pet food labels can be deceiving. They only provide half the story. The other half of the story is hidden behind obscure ingredients listed on the labels. Bit by bit, over seven years, I have been able to unearth information about what is contained in most commercial pet food. At first I was shocked, but my shock turned to anger when I realized how little the consumer is told about the actual contents of the pet food.

As discussed in Chapter Two, companion animals from clinics, pounds, and shelters can and are being rendered and used as sources of protein in pet food. Dead-stock removal operations play a major role in the pet food industry. Dead animals, road kill that cannot be buried at roadside, and in some cases, zoo animals, are picked up by these dead stock operations. When an animal dies in the field or is killed due to illness or disability, the dead stock operators pick them up and truck them to the receiving plant. There the dead animal is salvaged for meat or, depending on the state of decomposition, delivered to a rendering plant. At the receiving plants, the animals of value are skinned and viscera removed. Hides of cattle and calves are sold for tanning. The usable meat is removed from the carcass, and covered in charcoal to prevent it from being used for human consumption. Then the meat is frozen, and sold as animal food, which includes pet food.

The packages of this frozen meat must be clearly marked as "unfit for human consumption." The rest of the carcass and poorer quality products including viscera, fat, etcetera, are sent to the rendering facilities. Rendering plants are melting pots for all types of refuse. Restaurant grease and garbage; meats and baked goods long past the expiration dates from supermarkets (Styrofoam trays and shrink-wrap included); the entrails from dead stock removal operations, and the condemned and contaminated material from slaughterhouses. All of these are rendered.

The slaughterhouses where cattle, pigs, goats, calves, sheep, poultry, and rabbits meet their fate, provide more fuel for rendering. After slaughter, heads, feet, skin, toenails, hair, feathers, carpal and tarsal joints, and mammary glands are removed. This material is sent to rendering. Animals who have died on their way to slaughter are rendered. Cancerous tissue or tumors and worm-infested organs are rendered. Injection sites, blood clots, bone splinters, or extraneous matter are rendered. Contaminated blood is rendered. Stomach and bowels are rendered. Contaminated material containing or having been treated with a substance not permitted by, or in any amount in excess of limits prescribed under the Food and Drug Act or the Environmental Protection Act. In other words, if a carcass contains high levels of drugs or pesticides this material is rendered.

Before rendering, this material from the slaughterhouse is "denatured," which means that the material from the slaughterhouse is covered with a particular substance to prevent it from getting back into the human food chain. In the United States the substances used for denaturing include: crude carbolic acid, fuel oil, or citronella. In Canada the denaturing agent is Birkolene B. When I asked, the Ministry of Agriculture would not divulge the composition of Birkolene B, stating its ingredients are a trade secret.

At the rendering plant, slaughterhouse material, restaurant and supermarket refuse, dead stock, road kill, and euthanized companion animals are dumped into huge containers. A machine slowly grinds the entire mess. After it is chipped or shredded, it is cooked at temperatures of between 220 degrees F. and 270 degrees F. (104.4 to 132.2 degrees C.) for twenty minutes to one hour. The grease or tallow rises to the top, where it is removed from the mixture. This is the source of animal fat in most pet foods. The remaining material, the raw, is then put into a press where the moisture is squeezed out. We now have meat and bone meal.

Originally Posted by toddjinx

YOU SUGGEST SOME OTHER TYPE OF FOOD? And what about the questions Ive asked do you not have any answers you sure have answers for everything else other than what Ive asked. This website has no one of any knowledge of dogs.

I would suggest a holistic food. they do have a few decent ones at PetSmart but nothing from WM or the grocery store. both of us are concerned with the well being of these two dogs & any puppies that may result.

have you consulted the breeders these dogs came from? there should be a mentor involved here. she may be too young. thats the best I can do, I've never bred dogs. you haven't answered my questions either

how old is the female? what exactly do you mean by his hips were tested? were any other tests done?

Originally Posted by toddjinx

This website has no one of any knowledge of dogs.

toddjinx, there is a hell of a lot more knowledge here than you will probably ever have the privilage to know or enjoy. If you first sussed out the forum you would find that alot of the regular users do not support "BACK YARD BREEDING" and hence a generally reluctant to discuss the issue.........It can become a very heated topic, but I suspect you already know that!

If you want to consider breeding, having hip scores and AKC registration and bla bla bla is a start.......but only that, a start. My dog is registered, healthy, pretty...........but that does not give me the right to add to the population of dogs that western society is already having a problem to home?

also to note Ree, has a long history of breeding.......Not the sort of person you want to accuse of "no knowledge of dogs".

[reeskujo]

Thank you Nattie.....I am not answer your questions because I do not support backyard breeders and I refuse to supply them with the information that may in turn support what they are doing!....I am sorry if that offends you but I have two rescue dogs that were both on a kill list and will not share my knowledge with someone who will be ultimately adding to the over population problem!

She is three! I dont live out west thank god! I dont have to explain anything. Thanks for the help though!

[reeskujo]

Originally Posted by toddjinx

She is three! I dont live out west thank god! I dont have to explain anything. Thanks for the help though!

Nattie was referring to the United State as she's in Australia and the fact that you feel you don't need to explain when your the one who wanted the help just proves to me we're right and you ARE a backyard breeder!

Originally Posted by toddjinx

She is three! I dont live out west thank god! I dont have to explain anything. Thanks for the help though!

WESTERN SOCIETY! RFLMAO. US, UK, AUS, NZ, so called 1st world countries......those of us that have lots of doggies and kitties in shelters cause they are considered disposable once they are no longer cute, we throw them away, when they start getting old, or have a broken one that didnt train itself, or poops in the wrong part of the garden! THAT Western Society!

[reeskujo]

Originally Posted by nattiej1976

WESTERN SOCIETY! RFLMAO. US, UK, AUS, NZ, so called 1st world countries......those of us that have lots of doggies and kitties in shelters cause they are considered disposable once they are no longer cute, we throw them away, when they start getting old, or have a broken one that didnt train itself, or poops in the wrong part of the garden! THAT Western Society!

LOL nattie...You think they'll get it now?

Originally Posted by reeskujo

LOL nattie...You think they'll get it now?

Im sure the next couple of days will tell LOL :P

I was reluctant to really join in until I figured out what the stance on byb'ers was...... now that I know.... I feel right at home.
this was the thread I was looking for to give me a feel of how the board stands regarding this issue.
going to get myself a cup of coffee and peruse further.
S

[patamgdn]

As far as I can tell,you only want 1 puppy. So before you breed tell me,is this the case? If so,what happens to the other 3-5 puppies? Thrown onto the streets? I can understand your frustration that no one has given you answers but thats because we all love dogs and don't want over population to cause innocent dogs to be homeless. Everytime I see a homeless dog I feel like bawling my eyes out. I'd rather these dogs were never born rather than suffer out here. Every dog deserves a loving and caring home. You can call me whatever you want and think of me in whatever way you want but don't just think of your wants, think of whats best for the dogs. I'm sorry if I have offended you in any way but just think about the plight of every dog without a home. Are you sure you want to cause more dogs to be in that plight?

[Lara's mom]

We're just trying to ensure that puppies are bred responsibly and all have homes to go to and that the process is done correctly. If that makes us brutal, so be it.