Hi I'm new here and I have a question for all of you. I have my lil Charlie B (as in Charlie B good, Charlie B nice, etc.) and he is the start of a new breed of dog. Now I have found names for a two mix but he is four in one. Charlie is Pug, Chiuaua, Laso Apso, and Daschund. We can get $250.00 to 300.00 each for them. We will negotiate. We just want to know they will get thier shots and be taken to vet. if need be. If you charge for them then you can be pretty sure the people will take care of them. The pet stores said they could be sold at $350.00 plus. Anyway this Charlie also has two beautiful wives. I like to call them Charlies Angels. Thier names are Diyeta (beloved) Aiyana (eternal blossom) & Matti (Matilda). Well that's enough for now. If anyone has a suggestion on what to call this new breed it would be greatly appreciated.
Thank You, lilsisjen

Can I ask WHY you are trying to make a new breed when there are over 300 already available. Are your dogs tested by OFA & CERF for genetic thyroid, patella, hip and eye diseases? Did you test for Brucellosis prior to breeding?
Have you visited a shelter to see the thousands of mixed breed dogs that are killed weekly because nobody wants them?

If you are doing it RIGHT you loose money breeding!!! If you have made a profit you have missed something!!

We have a private shelter or it would seem so. We take in animals that no one else wants. So we do do our part. We don't just breed all our animals, that would mean to many and be very irresponsible. These dogs are in high demand in our area. We are great animal lovers and are blessed with the good fortune of being able to help these animals. It is actually our friends whom we are working on this breed with. You can make and name your own breed of dog. And as long as they are in demand and the people are willing to take care of them properly, I see no reason why not. They are what is called a designer dog. They are big dogs (independent) in a little dog body. Our animals include: 5 lizards, 1 patagonia parrot (w/1 leg), 1 Quaker Parrot, 1 conure, 4 cockatiels, 5 parakeets, 5 ferrets, 7 guinea pigs, 1 gerbil, 5 cats, 4 dogs, & 2 puppies. So I think that we are doing our part for unwanted animals. And as far as that goes some of our animals are from shelters. So I hope this has answered your question and we do do all of this on our own w/out any help. People find out about us from word of mouth, although we are full up at the moment. Oh yeah, my husband and I are disabled, so they gets lots of love and in return they give us love. Have a beautiful day!

we are not just doing this for the money so it doesn't matter. As long as we can make something to help the other animals w/food, vet checks, shots, etc.

Have you done the OFA & CERF and other tests I mentioned on the dogs that are being bred? How do you know you are not passing on crippling and expensive health problems to your buyers?

[Yogi]

What I find odd is you say that you take dogs in. Are you a rescue or a puppymill? If you are getting your information as to retail by talking to a pet store than you are in fact not rescuing but are in fact looking to make money.
Sorry, I rescue and under no circumstances would I ever breed my rescues.
In addition, you are talking about 4 separate breeds yet you could only spell one breed name correctly. Anyone that is involved with breeding at least is capable of correctly spelling the breed name.
This is really not the forum to use in hopes someone will endorse your idea of breeding and that the need is for money for the other dogs. I have 18 and am retired on fixed income and do not need to breed and sell in order to take care of the ones I have taken in. You have offered nothing here to prove that you are anything but a puppymill or BYB looking to make money.

Originally Posted by lilsisjen

We have a private shelter or it would seem so. We take in animals that no one else wants!

so many animals that no one wants, pure breed, or cross breed

Originally Posted by lilsisjen

So we do do our part!

By adding more animals to a world that already disposes of them left right and center?

Originally Posted by lilsisjen

We don't just breed all our animals, that would mean to many and be very irresponsible. !

and breeding just some of them is responsible????

Originally Posted by lilsisjen

These dogs are in high demand in our area!

Im sure there are plenty more rescues out there looking for a home, Is their damand for this need not as important as the damand of yet another bunch of oooooodles?

Originally Posted by lilsisjen

We are great animal lovers and are blessed with the good fortune of being able to help these animals. !

Help?? How so???? By turning them into some sort of experiment for the sake of a new so called breed (which by the way would never be recognised by any of the governing kennel associations)

Originally Posted by lilsisjen

It is actually our friends whom we are working on this breed with.!

Its not a breed, it is a mixture of all sorts, a mutt if you will, and whilst our beloved mutt can be just as wonderful as the next dog, it does not mean that you have any right.......ability yes, but not the right, to add to an increasing unwanted population of our furry friends.

Originally Posted by lilsisjen

You can make and name your own breed of dog. And as long as they are in demand and the people are willing to take care of them properly, I see no reason why not.They are what is called a designer dog.!

would that be the same demand of all the other "designer breeds" that are fast filling the shelters around the world???

Originally Posted by lilsisjen

They are big dogs (independent) in a little dog body. .!

I could name you many reccognised little pure breeds that are independant and have a big zest for life, bred excactly for this nature!

Originally Posted by lilsisjen

Our animals include: 5 lizards, 1 patagonia parrot (w/1 leg), 1 Quaker Parrot, 1 conure, 4 cockatiels, 5 parakeets, 5 ferrets, 7 guinea pigs, 1 gerbil, 5 cats, 4 dogs, & 2 puppies. So I think that we are doing our part for unwanted animals.And as far as that goes some of our animals are from shelters.!

Its good that you are willing and able to take on some of these animals, but i can guarentee you if you start breeding just any dog to any dog, there will be a good percentage of them thrown into the shelter once the novelty wares off.

Originally Posted by lilsisjen

So I hope this has answered your question and we do do all of this on our own w/out any help.!

But also by your own decision and choosing.

Originally Posted by lilsisjen

People find out about us from word of mouth, although we are full up at the moment.!

So are in no position then to care for the pups that are not wanted, or have some sort of medical condition and require expensive vetanary care, what if mum needs a c section through labour? Costs lots? what about health checking before rehoming and vaccination for several pups, desexing?? or is this to be the responsibility of the new owner????

Originally Posted by lilsisjen

Oh yeah, my husband and I are disabled, so they gets lots of love and in return they give us love. Have a beautiful day!

Glad they give you lots of love, and sorry about your disabilites, but im afraid it does not entice me to support, or even condone your reasons for breeding dogs that just need love.........oh and desexing!

its really hard to suggest a name if i can't see the picture of your dog..

I have a great name...

MUTT

To create a "new breed" you must first have a vision of what you're trying to create. And you have to set goals on how you're going to get there. It's not something done haphazardly.

If you want to understand the development of a new breed, check out the history of breeds like the Doberman, or the Cesky Terrier. The developers of these breeds both had a vision, and a plan on how they were going to do it.

If you just start putting dogs together, willy nilly, all you're going to produce are mutts.

I just have a hard time understanding how people can get away with selling mongrels for $350, when I can go to my local kill shelter and pick out any dog of the same breed (mongrel) of my choosing, for only $150-- and that includes spay/neuter, and shots!

Why are all of you so mean. You obviously don't understand what I was asking. All I needed from anyone was a mix of the names. You have got to be kidding, a puppy mill, where was anything remotely said like that. Excuse me if I misspelled a name or a word, which I did not, Chihuahua is also spelled Chiuaua check it out. As for the others, they are spelled right did you pass elementary school? Honest question with the way you acting. I guess you must be perfect and if that's the case maybe you need to NOT be here. And maybe just maybe you could learn how to talk nicely to people. That is a lesson my children learned long ago. By the way tell your husband/wife and kids if you have them "I'm Sorry" cause I'll bet they can't live up to your standerds! You don't know me and we do not just breed animals all over the place. As a matter fact everyone else is fixed or one of a kind or do not breed. I don't see where that is your business anyway. I asked a simple question and can't even get that answered. And it is not us who are doing the AKC thing, that would be the original breeders and not one puppy suffers from the breeding. Also did you know they start new breeds even orignal breeds by incest. There are many AKC registered and papered breeds that have hip problems and many other problems too, due to inbreeding. This is rediculous what is everybodys problem anyway. Hope you have a beautiful day anyway, get out get some sun maybe it will do your attitudes some good.

So because they are not an AKC breed they cannot get health problems and you are exempt from needing to test for them? Is that what you are saying? Tell that to my client with the lab/hound/husky from the pound who required $9,000 + surgery to repair SEVER hip dysplasia! EVERY dog that is being bred should be tested for genetic diseases... do you know for a fact that the dogs you are breeding do not have cataracts or hip dysplasia? And I have know MANY dysplastic dogs who show NO signs, so saying that the parents do not limp is NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

I hope you are able to view these pics.

:DYou could just about say that about any dog you buy or get free. So just so I understand what you are saying, you think that every dog should be tested for all these problems? Or just my dogs. What is the problem here? Do you pick on all people who sell or give away dogs, or is it just me. Or are you having a bad day. I hope your feeling better soon. Have a lovely night. :D

Why I seem to be being picked on.

[Yogi]

You state that you are looking to create a new breed and yet at the same time the reason you give for this is that they are in high demand. How can something that no one has yet seen be in high demand. You have yet to breed them.
As for misspelling, sorry. Chiuaua is not the correct spelling but the spelling given on the internet by those who do not know how to properly spell the breeds name....Chihuahua. Dachshund is the correct spelling. Lhasa Apso...again the correct spelling.
You note that you are some type of private rescue but this cannot be the truth as NO rescue would ever breed mutts then sell them and use the excuse that the reason they are doing this is to help the costs of supporting the others.
Simply put, if you cannot afford to support the ones you have by means other than breeding and selling and getting your information from a pet store, you are in fact a byb or puppy mill. I have been rescuing for over 40 years and also privately. I have never bred any of the rescues for any reason. I support those that I have from simply working or from a legitimate income. The fact is that breeding in no way produces enough to offset once you have paid for the general care of the dam and pups. In addition to the health tests needed to ensure the pups will be healthy.
As for purebreds, yes inbreeding and line breeding is still common but it is done after testing to ensure no health issue increase. This is done by knowledgeable breeders not a byb who wants to create some mutt and claim that they are doing so to make money for anything else but themselves.
So, if you cannot take care of the dogs you have taken in financially as is, I suggest you find a rescue who can because no rescue private of not would ever approve of what it is you are doing and you are going to leave yourself open to this criticism repeatedly.
As for living up to standards, I only live up to my own and do not expect anyone else to do so but be reminded you asked whether you are getting the answer you want or not. If you had thought this out and consulted local rescues you would have known better than to come her with this ridiculous tale of creating a new breed just so you can sell them.
vetgroomer is right. There is a goal when creating breeds as has been for years. Your only goal appears to be to make money, that in fact makes you a byb or puppy mill.

[lil mutt]

I agree with the other member... It seems that creating a new breed is not a nice idea...

Originally Posted by lilsisjen

Why I seem to be being picked on.

You are not being picked on lilsisjen, if you checked other threads similar to yours the responses are the same.

Im afraid when you ask these sorts of questions, on a forum, where many members are against any hodge podge breeding process you are going to attract some attention. Be it you or the next poster to ask a similar question.

All I ask is that you take some of the knowledge and experience of other users on the forum, many of which have been/are breeders, and rescuers who have seen some horrid things in their time.

As vetgroomer touched on, breeding is more than just putting a boy dog and a girl dog together, yes you will get pups out of this, but there is no garentee of the health and soundness of the pups to come.


You will find that orangedogs comments on all the pre breeding testing is suggested to for ANYONE who chooses to breed a litter not just you. It is testing that will define an outstanding breeder to an average on the verge BYB or mill breeder.

lilsisjen you are right that there are many pure breed dogs out there with heriditary issues caused by inbreeding and or rash thoughtless breeding processes. Unfortunately there are way too many breeders out there that care for the mighty dollar and give little regard to the outcome of the pups that they breed. In actual fact i would dare to say a MASSIVE percentige of breeders out there would sit somewhere in this category.

The reality is that a breeder who follows careful plans, and follows through on all health checks and testing for their animals make little or no money at all from breeding, its these breeders that produce sound, strong, true to type pups, but are hardly ever heard of because they dont have the money to advertise the fact, (coming down to careful research from potential owners to lead them to these breeders) nor do they produce in mass allowing them to provide regular pup stock.

Well lilisjen, Charlie is a cute little guy, anyway. I don't see any of the Lhaso in him, but I can see all of the other three-- how about you call him a "chughund?" or even a "chughundo," heh, heh. Please take the advice of the other posters to heart, and at least delay breeding until you have done a LOT (as in years) of extensive research first. Carefully list out the most desirable traits you want to develop, and do some study in genetics to find out how to bring those traits out strongly and reliably. Nattie is right; you're not being singled out, or picked on. Every time someone comes on to this forum intending to breed, they get the "third degree." The reason is right there in your own "backyard," or wherever it is you shelter your rescues: So many people, whether with good intentions, or just irresponsible, have created cute little puppies, that end up being unwanted dogs, homeless, euthanized, abandoned, neglected, abused, starved, etc....

Compared to another forum I frequent, this is really a very nice place, with a lot of friendly, helpful people-- except when it comes to breeding-- then you can expect some stern, even harsh, treatment.