[Yogi]

Originally Posted by Todd

thanks for the pics! for standard height, is it the height or length? from where to where do you generally measure?

Height to the withers (shoulders) is done by having the dog stand and measure from the shoulders to the floor.

[Todd]

Originally Posted by Yogi

I did find these pics of Lab Pit mixes and the heads are closer views which to show show Pit in them. These are closer. If her head resembles these than I can see where there would be Pit in her. Also there is a video clip of a Black Lab Pit mix. Maybe comparing Lucky to it you may see if they resemble each other.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idw_p3zVRPg

thanks for the pics and video! here are some pics i found of lab pit mixes that really look like Lucky. what do you think?

Originally Posted by Yogi

Height to the withers (shoulders) is done by having the dog stand and measure from the shoulders to the floor.

so it has nothing to do with length, just height?

[OrangeDog]

well each breed has a proportion that is correct but for most breeds it is not actually spelled out in inches.

Lab: Standard height for mature males is 22½ to 24½ inches and for mature females, 21½ to 23½ inches. Females range in weight from about 65-75 and males from about 85-100

Pit: Actual weight and height are less important than the correct proportion of weight to height. Desirable weight for a mature male in good condition is between 35 and 60 pounds. Desirable weight for a mature female in good condition is between 30 and 50 pounds.

[Yogi]

Primarily most dog breeds have height measurements as far as standards go not length. If that is what you are referring to..
Also, here is a little about the English and American versions of the lab.
Note that the English (commonly referred to as "Blockheads") resemble the head more so of a Pit than the American version. Eye set further apart do primarily to wider skull.
The pics you show do indicate a broader head and jowl at least in these pics.
http://labradorretrieverpuppiesblog....dor-retriever/
As Orangedog notes, the Pit since not an AKC registerable breed does not necessarily fall into the "Height" issue as far as breed standards. Standards are written by the breed clubs and published by the Kennel Clubs whether it be the AKC, CKC, UKC or FCI.
There are the exceptions such as the Manchester Terrier.

[Todd]

Originally Posted by OrangeDog

well each breed has a proportion that is correct but for most breeds it is not actually spelled out in inches.

Lab: Standard height for mature males is 22½ to 24½ inches and for mature females, 21½ to 23½ inches. Females range in weight from about 65-75 and males from about 85-100

Pit: Actual weight and height are less important than the correct proportion of weight to height. Desirable weight for a mature male in good condition is between 35 and 60 pounds. Desirable weight for a mature female in good condition is between 30 and 50 pounds.

thanks for the info. do you think lucky looks like the lab/pit mixes in the photos?

[OrangeDog]

The "english" "american" lab thing was created by puppy mills and bybs as a reason their labs do not look the way they are suposed to. they should never be tall, lanky, thin, or have a fine pointed muzzle. the labrador retriever is a short, stocky, medium/large dog with a strong broad head to cary retrieved game. reputable breeders simply breed correct labs and do not "market" them as one type or another.

yes todd yoru girl looks a LOT like those dogs!

[Yogi]

Originally Posted by OrangeDog

The "english" "american" lab thing was created by puppy mills and bybs as a reason their labs do not look the way they are suposed to. they should never be tall, lanky, thin, or have a fine pointed muzzle. the labrador retriever is a short, stocky, medium/large dog with a strong broad head to cary retrieved game. reputable breeders simply breed correct labs and do not "market" them as one type or another.

yes todd yoru girl looks a LOT like those dogs!

I agree but unfortunately the term has gotten out there and for so long there is continued debate over it. To the point that the terms have been somewhat accepted. Granted, A Lab is a Lab. But need we forget that nearly every breed of dog in this country has been altered from its original state to one degree or another. Americans have an incestuous desire to not be content with the real without trying to Americanize for the sake of claiming what is not theirs. This has gone on in the dog breed world for generations.
It only takes looking back to the land of origin of breeds to see the differences in what we have here to what they have there.

[Todd]

Originally Posted by Yogi

I agree but unfortunately the term has gotten out there and for so long there is continued debate over it. To the point that the terms have been somewhat accepted. Granted, A Lab is a Lab. But need we forget that nearly every breed of dog in this country has been altered from its original state to one degree or another. Americans have an incestuous desire to not be content with the real without trying to Americanize for the sake of claiming what is not theirs. This has gone on in the dog breed world for generations.
It only takes looking back to the land of origin of breeds to see the differences in what we have here to what they have there.

im considering doing one of those DNA testing kits things just out of curiosity. so, lets place out bets. what's your final guess Yogi... Orange... anyone else who wishes to make a guess???

[OrangeDog]

Very true and this is one of the many reasons I include imported dogs in my breeding program. I find many of them are more "correct" especially in temperament as well as health!!

those kits are a crapshoot. one of my clients used two different brands on her dog and came back with:

test #1 - German Shorthair pointer, Sheltie and something else

Test #2 - collie, lab, poodle

the dog looks like a smooth border collie! there is NO pointer, poodle or lab in this dog for sure

she was free, your not showing her or breeding her.... is she healthy and a good dog? thats all that matters!

[Todd]

oh i don't care which breed, its just out of pure curiosity. by the way i just measured here height. she is 23 inches.

[fluffy]

By the look of your dog i would have to say that it's mixed and not full lab.