[pete146]

Hi

I'm brand new to the website, and would love some help finding out what breed(s) my dog is!

I rescued him 2 weeks ago from the RSPCA. They told me his mum was an American Bulldog, and his dad was a Mastif cross. But everybody who's seen him says he is more like a pure American Bulldog.

His name's Colin! lol. He's 23kg (50lbs), is 15 months old, and stands to around knee height.

Has an adorable temprament and would sleep all day if I let him!

Please have a look at the pics, any help / ideas are appreciated.

Thanks
Pete

[CorkyMax]

No expert here! I see mainly American Staffordshire Terrier or Pit Bull and I'm not really seeing Bull Dog at all but it could be 'hidden' I guess. Here is a link to pics and description of the American Staffordshire Terrier:American Staffordshire Terrier Information and Pictures Be sure to scroll all the way down page and note that ther are 2 more pages of pics. to click on. First page is not as good for pics as the other 2!

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanpitbull.htm ---There are about 6-7 pages of pics to click on for this breed. (Think your dog looks a lot like this breed)

Here is a link for the American Bull Dog:

American Bulldog Information and Pictures There are quite a few pages of pics here too----Some have the wrinkles and some don't!

[Deafdogsrule]

As the op is from the UK (RSPCA is the UK equivalent of your ASPCA... sort of) this is not a Pit Bull, they are banned over there, I do see Am Bull, for sure, but instead of Mastiff, I see Staffy (Staffordshire Bull Terrier is a much shorter legged version of the APBT and American Staffordshire Terrier, for your info C/M). Your dog looks quite a bit smaller than the Am Bull, at least North American Am Bulls, so I would very much suspect Am Bull x Staffy.

[petsrule]

I'm not sure what type of dog he is but he looks like a sweetheart.

[CorkyMax]

Originally Posted by Deafdogsrule

As the op is from the UK (RSPCA is the UK equivalent of your ASPCA... sort of) this is not a Pit Bull, they are banned over there, I do see Am Bull, for sure, but instead of Mastiff, I see Staffy (Staffordshire Bull Terrier is a much shorter legged version of the APBT and American Staffordshire Terrier, for your info C/M). Your dog looks quite a bit smaller than the Am Bull, at least North American Am Bulls, so I would very much suspect Am Bull x Staffy.

Lol, you have me I didn't mention Mastiff at all. Staffy is another name for American Staffordshire Terrier--right? And I didn't mention the Staffordshire Bull Terrier either. The only BULL I mentioned were the bulldog and the pitbull. Lol, I am prob. confusing you too---too many similarities in these breeds/names! And I know pitbulls are banned in Canada, but there could be a mix of breeds that 'got through'---Some mixed breeds can have 'traces' of many mixtures in their 'make-up.'--(But from the sounds of it there in Canada--Woe be the dog that even has a hint of the looks of a pitbull! Pitbulls make me think of similarities of the plight of the Jewish people!)

[cigwyllt]

If he's in the UK lets hope he's not got pitbull in him because he will be seized and destroyed.

[Deafdogsrule]

Originally Posted by Corky/Max

Lol, you have me I didn't mention Mastiff at all. Staffy is another name for American Staffordshire Terrier--right? And I didn't mention the Staffordshire Bull Terrier either. The only BULL I mentioned were the bulldog and the pitbull. Lol, I am prob. confusing you too---too many similarities in these breeds/names! And I know pitbulls are banned in Canada, but there could be a mix of breeds that 'got through'---Some mixed breeds can have 'traces' of many mixtures in their 'make-up.'--(But from the sounds of it there in Canada--Woe be the dog that even has a hint of the looks of a pitbull! Pitbulls make me think of similarities of the plight of the Jewish people!)

Nope a Staffy is the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, in the UK anyway. And is a totally different breed from the American Staffordshire Terrier/American Pit Bull Terrier. I wasn't just replying to you, I should have been more clear. the op posted that the RSPCA said he was part Mastiff. And Pit Bulls are not banned in Canada, just in Ontario. The breed ban in Ontario is all encompassing too, unlike the breed ban in the UK which does not ban Staffy's (staffordshire Bull terriers) or Am Bulls (American Bulldogs)

[cigwyllt]

Obviously being in the UK I have never met a pit bull but my own "mutt" would appear to be part Staffie. All the Staffies I've met have been lovely, happy people friendly dogs. I would hate to see them banned. However it is heartbreaking to see the numbers in rescues around the country - they have been so overbred and now people find they can not home them and so the poor things are just thrown out.

[CorkyMax]

Originally Posted by Deafdogsrule

Nope a Staffy is the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, in the UK anyway. And is a totally different breed from the American Staffordshire Terrier/American Pit Bull Terrier. I wasn't just replying to you, I should have been more clear. the op posted that the RSPCA said he was part Mastiff. And Pit Bulls are not banned in Canada, just in Ontario. The breed ban in Ontario is all encompassing too, unlike the breed ban in the UK which does not ban Staffy's (staffordshire Bull terriers) or Am Bulls (American Bulldogs)

According to this link: American Staffordshire Terrier Information and Pictures Both the English and American Staffordshires are nicknamed Staffies! In my breeds book for the 'Full name' of these breeds---Staffordshire Bull Terrier (English breed) and American Staffordshire Terrier, lol, so I guess it can be very confusing if a person only says Staffy! It also states this in my breeds book under the title--American Staffordshire Terrier: TEMPERAMENT: The American Staffordshire should never be confused with the notorious Pit Bull Terrier. (Note that this book was published 14 yrs ago and I wish they had worded that last sentence a little bit differently as we know the pit bull is not a bad breed--just the as*holes who train them to be that way!) Although the American Staffordshire Terrier is a courageous and tenacious fighter if provoked, and needs firm, kind training to control this instinct, its basic temperament toward people is gentle and loving.

Lol, Did 'they' not think Brits and Americans would talk about dog breeds together back when 'they' decided to nickname them (lol, THE DOGS!--not us!) the same thing!

[Deafdogsrule]

Originally Posted by Corky/Max

Both the English and American Staffordshires are nicknamed Staffies! In my breeds book for the 'Full name' of these breeds---Staffordshire Bull Terrier (English breed) and American Staffordshire Terrier, lol, so I guess it can be very confusing if a person only says Staffy! It also states this in my breeds book under the title--American Staffordshire Terrier: TEMPERAMENT: The American Staffordshire should never be confused with the notorious Pit Bull Terrier. (Note that this book was published 14 yrs ago and I wish they had worded that last sentence a little bit differently as we know the pit bull is not a bad breed--just the as*holes who train them to be that way!) Although the American Staffordshire Terrier is a courageous and tenacious fighter if provoked, and needs firm, kind training to control this instinct, its basic temperament toward people is gentle and loving.[/COLOR][/B]

Lol, Did 'they' not think Brits and Americans would talk about dog breeds together back when 'they' decided to nickname them (lol, THE DOGS!--not us!) the same thing!

Funny, in my neck of the woods we call American Staffordshire Terriers "AmStaff's". And the other thing I've read is that Amstaffs and Pit Bulls ARE the same breed, just different names in different kennel clubs. You can have a dog duel registered under the United Kennel Club as an American Pit Bull Terrier, and under the American Kennel Club as an American Staffordshire Terrier, as long as both parents are dual registered. So to me that says same breed, and a difference of opinion when naming the breed. I read several books and numerous websites about this subject, as Pitties are a fav. breed of mine, and as I will probably one day have a deaf pitty, I want to know everything I can about the breed, and history. There are loads of deaf pitties (both breeds) and Am Bulls in need, I get a dozen e-mails about them a week (at least) so one day, when I have more time and space I'll be bringing in a deaf pitty (or Amstaff, or Am Bull, or Staffy... LOL)

In Canada, we only register Amstaffs.

[CorkyMax]

Well, I've learned some things here but I'm not sure if I agree about the American Staffie being the same as a Pit Bull---A person can read so many dif. things and so far the book I have says they are not the same. I am not saying you are wrong either and you have more knowledge of this (these) breed(s) than I do! I am just not sure what to believe--You know how the internet can be on any subject--too many different answers! And, lol, being a Taurus (bull) I get set in my ways and don't like changing my mind either. Glad that you are saving and taking care of so many needy deaf dogs and that the Pit Bull is on your future list. That breed needs a lot of help to overcome the reputation it has been given! Thank you.

[lange]

Maybe it's like the Japanese Akita verse the American Akita...the same breed to AKC & Canada, different to other organizations/countries; ditto with individuals.

[Yogi]

Part of the problem is the term "Staffy" when referencing AmStaffs as opposed to the actual Staffordshire Bull Terrier which is the one that is actually given the nickname Staffy. AmStaffs as well as APBT's derive from this UK breed.
The unfortunate problem is that AmStaffs as we refer to them with regards to the AKC is that they meet a much more strict breed standard than their loosely bred cousins the APBT. The UKC noted the term Pit which was not allowed in the registered name with regards to AKC and in most cases APBT breeders are not concerned with breed standards ie: height, weight etc. as is required with the AmStaffs. The APBT more often than not is a much larger breed than their cousin the AmStaff which has strict standards regarding height, weight, coat, ears etc. Those that are registered in the AKC were bred as AmStaffs and come from AmStaff lineage of prior recorded purebreds. On the other hand the APBT being not recognized by the AKC cannot be registered with them which is the primary reason the UKC was formed. A UKC dog, cannot be registered with the AKC. But an AmStaff registered with the AKC, can receive dual registry with the UKC.

[Deafdogsrule]

Originally Posted by Yogi

Part of the problem is the term "Staffy" when referencing AmStaffs as opposed to the actual Staffordshire Bull Terrier which is the one that is actually given the nickname Staffy. AmStaffs as well as APBT's derive from this UK breed.
The unfortunate problem is that AmStaffs as we refer to them with regards to the AKC is that they meet a much more strict breed standard than their loosely bred cousins the APBT. The UKC noted the term Pit which was not allowed in the registered name with regards to AKC and in most cases APBT breeders are not concerned with breed standards ie: height, weight etc. as is required with the AmStaffs. The APBT more often than not is a much larger breed than their cousin the AmStaff which has strict standards regarding height, weight, coat, ears etc. Those that are registered in the AKC were bred as AmStaffs and come from AmStaff lineage of prior recorded purebreds. On the other hand the APBT being not recognized by the AKC cannot be registered with them which is the primary reason the UKC was formed. A UKC dog, cannot be registered with the AKC. But an AmStaff registered with the AKC, can receive dual registry with the UKC.

It's funny, you read up on the history, and see all the name changes the breeds have gone through... all 3 of them... Bull and Terrier, Pit Bull and Terrier, Staffordshire Bull and Terrier, Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Bull terrier.... until finally the 3 breeds emerged as seperate names, and for the 2 closest names, they are so completely different! I can peg a Staffy (UK version) easily, they look so different from the Amstaff... but whatever they're called, I love them all, though it's the Pit Bull that has the white. I do believe that in Amstaffs and Staffies white is not a recognised colour, but allowed in the Pit Bull, though the Pit Bull and Amstaff and Am Bull have been interbred so often, that it's hard to tell anymore, unless registered.

[Yogi]

Originally Posted by Deafdogsrule

It's funny, you read up on the history, and see all the name changes the breeds have gone through... all 3 of them... Bull and Terrier, Pit Bull and Terrier, Staffordshire Bull and Terrier, Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Bull terrier.... until finally the 3 breeds emerged as seperate names, and for the 2 closest names, they are so completely different! I can peg a Staffy (UK version) easily, they look so different from the Amstaff... but whatever they're called, I love them all, though it's the Pit Bull that has the white. I do believe that in Amstaffs and Staffies white is not a recognised colour, but allowed in the Pit Bull, though the Pit Bull and Amstaff and Am Bull have been interbred so often, that it's hard to tell anymore, unless registered.

Actually did not read up so much as just recall what I knew from years ago. I don't see that really anything has changed. Originally the AmStaff was referred to as Bull terrier but name changed many years ago. It is that variety that AKC recognized which I remember. Keeping in mind in this country for the first half of the 19th century, the most popular breed was the AmStaff and Pit Bulls. But a common comparison with regards to registry would be similar to the Parson Russell and Jack Russell terriers where one is recognized and one is not by the major registries. But to note, the CKC just like the AKC is in actuality a registry that takes it standards, guidelines, rules with regards to breeds from the breed clubs. Many like to blame the registries as if they make the rules but in actuality, they only enforce guidelines stipulated by the breed clubs and document lineage for purebred pedigree status on dogs recognized. The APBT could possibly be recognized just as the Jack Russell could someday but it will in each case take an assertive effort on behalf of the breed clubs to stipulate and enforce strict standards in the breeds.

[Deafdogsrule]

Originally Posted by Yogi

Actually did not read up so much as just recall what I knew from years ago. I don't see that really anything has changed. Originally the AmStaff was referred to as Bull terrier but name changed many years ago. It is that variety that AKC recognized which I remember. Keeping in mind in this country for the first half of the 19th century, the most popular breed was the AmStaff and Pit Bulls. But a common comparison with regards to registry would be similar to the Parson Russell and Jack Russell terriers where one is recognized and one is not by the major registries. But to note, the CKC just like the AKC is in actuality a registry that takes it standards, guidelines, rules with regards to breeds from the breed clubs. Many like to blame the registries as if they make the rules but in actuality, they only enforce guidelines stipulated by the breed clubs and document lineage for purebred pedigree status on dogs recognized. The APBT could possibly be recognized just as the Jack Russell could someday but it will in each case take an assertive effort on behalf of the breed clubs to stipulate and enforce strict standards in the breeds.

I wasn't saying a specific "you" in my post, just a general statement. Meaning "if one were to read up on the history of the breed blah blah blah" LOL sorry, should have been more clear. Yes, they technically could become a recognised breed with the CKC, but in order for that to happen, the breed would have to adhere to a breed standard... and so far, like the JRT and Border Collie, gameness, and working ability is more important than looks, and are bred as such... though BC's are getting close, which sucks for the breed.

What drives me nuts though, is that the APBT, AST, SBT, AB are all considered "Pit Bulls" and people just think that Pit Bull is a type, and not a breed.

[Yogi]

Originally Posted by Deafdogsrule

I wasn't saying a specific "you" in my post, just a general statement. Meaning "if one were to read up on the history of the breed blah blah blah" LOL sorry, should have been more clear. Yes, they technically could become a recognised breed with the CKC, but in order for that to happen, the breed would have to adhere to a breed standard... and so far, like the JRT and Border Collie, gameness, and working ability is more important than looks, and are bred as such... though BC's are getting close, which sucks for the breed.

What drives me nuts though, is that the APBT, AST, SBT, AB are all considered "Pit Bulls" and people just think that Pit Bull is a type, and not a breed.

Agree, which only perpetuates so many of the misconceptions regarding the breeds. Maybe one day people will take time to understand instead of assume.

[Joe Erasmus]

he is a Scott Breed American Bulldog there are 2 different breeds of american bulldog the johnson breed and the scott breed the johnson breed r twice the size of the scott breed and have a shorter muzzle the scott breed has a longer muzzle and are half the size and resemble pit bull terriers but are not i have both breeds both females my johnson breed is 112 pounds and my scott breed is 69 pounds and looks just like your dog collin hope this helps

Originally Posted by pete146

Hi

I'm brand new to the website, and would love some help finding out what breed(s) my dog is!

I rescued him 2 weeks ago from the RSPCA. They told me his mum was an American Bulldog, and his dad was a Mastif cross. But everybody who's seen him says he is more like a pure American Bulldog.

His name's Colin! lol. He's 23kg (50lbs), is 15 months old, and stands to around knee height.

Has an adorable temprament and would sleep all day if I let him!

Please have a look at the pics, any help / ideas are appreciated.

Thanks
Pete