[lulusmom]

I've been away for a very short while and was totally prepared to find your ludicrous response to my last post, replete with personal affronts, and may I say that you did not disappoint. What I wasn't expecting to see is that it looks like you finally got to a lot of members that now see in you what I saw from the get go. I don't believe it's necessary for me to say what that is as others have already done a beautiful job. Way to go people!!

Pretending to know what you are talking about and making crap up as you go is really embarrassing so please stop humiliating yourself. Your inability to understand why your posts invoke the anger of true animal lovers is just further evidence that you should never get a dog, or any pet for that matter. Someone once asked me to think about all the people I've met in my life that I really disliked. I'm no spring chicken and I've met a lot people in my life, few of which I have disliked so it didn't take me long to conjure up the evil seeds in my mind. Then I was asked if any of them had a dog or cat. OMG, what a revelation...none of them had a solitary pet...just like you. So there ya go!!! I mean really, wouldbe, inferring that people that love cats are filthy trash that live in dirty, smelly homes is truly reprehensible and a true testament to your less than redeeming qualities as a human being. The smelliest, nastiest dog and cat pee in the world couldn't possibly be more repugnant than you.

I am usually not this stupid so can somebody please, please, tell me why I keep breaking my promise to quit wasting my time responding to anybody so annoyingly ignorant and unjustifiably pretentious?

Originally Posted by Yogi

this is exactly why they do it. I have been raising cats since I was a kid and currently own 13. The rare times this has happened was with my male on a couple of occasions with one of the females. It was always a marking thing with the former male tom. Since neutered he has cease doing this. But like you noted, some people just have no clue and therefore seem willing to form opinions based a non knowledgeable people like themselves and deem this as fact. As the saying goes, "it is one thing to be thought a fool, another to open your mouth and prove it".

Well, I see we have resorted to childish name-calling (sigh). Ok, regardless, well, guess what, Yogi? The cat of my former counselor was a female. Your next statement will probably be something to the effect of females mark as well.

I'm sorry but I'm not buying the reason her cat peed on her husband's side of the bed repeatedly was a marking issue. And how could it have been a marking issue? The sheets were repeatedly washed. In addition, the cat was well aware that this behavior was very upsetting to the family.

You and vetgroomer aren't being honest. Dogs will not engage in these unorthodox behaviors (e.g. peeing in clothes, on children's beds, laundry hampers, in the woman's makeup) anywhere near to the extent cats will. As I've already explained, it would be rare for dogs to do this.

I see you have 13 cats. If you hadn't told me and I visited your residence, I would be able to tell that cats were in the house as soon as I stepped through your front door. Just like that.

Lastly, you and vetgroomer want to pretend you doesn't understand my argument. No matter what the reason for the unorthodox peeing, the end result is the same: pee in your bed, your kids' bed, your laundry hamper. Again, you will NOT find this happening with a dog. Dog's don't indulge in this type of behavior.

How do I know this? I know from personal experience being around family and friends with both cats and dogs in their homes. Although the ones with cat, I stay away from their residence, but have been personally told by these individuals the acts that their cats have done.

I'm sorry if the truth offends you.

Originally Posted by lulusmom

I mean really, wouldbe, inferring that people that love cats are filthy trash that live in dirty, smelly homes is truly reprehensible and a true testament to your less than redeeming qualities as a human being. The smelliest, nastiest dog and cat pee in the world couldn't possibly be more repugnant than you.

lulusmom, I'm very sorry that you're angry. I'm not inferring anything. However, like I said to Yogi, if I come in any cat owner's home, I'll know right off the bat that a cat resides there. Immediately. Just like that.

Personally, I think this thread should be locked and removed. Regardless of what anyone says to Wouldbe she'll have some erroneous information negating it. It's no longer worth the time nor energy needed to try and educate...some people are simply "right fighters" and far to thick skulled to ever listen/hear the common sense being propounded to them.

We all know that as sad as it is, if she really wants to get a dog, she'll find some idiot to sell her one....won't be a reputable ethical breeder as it'll only take minutes to figure her out, but someone will sell her a dog that most likely will ultimately end up be rehomed, placed in rescue, or dumped at a shelter.

Originally Posted by lulusmom

...I am usually not this stupid...

Are you sure about that?...

Originally Posted by CrestieRsq

Personally, I think this thread should be locked and removed. Regardless of what anyone says to Wouldbe she'll have some erroneous information negating it. It's no longer worth the time nor energy needed to try and educate...some people are simply "right fighters" and far to thick skulled to ever listen/hear the common sense being propounded to them.

We all know that as sad as it is, if she really wants to get a dog, she'll find some idiot to sell her one....won't be a reputable ethical breeder as it'll only take minutes to figure her out, but someone will sell her a dog that most likely will ultimately end up be rehomed, placed in rescue, or dumped at a shelter.

Crestie, I can assure you that when I bring an animal into my home, it will be responsibly taken care of. I have decided on a poodle because of their intelligence and amazing human-like insight. I can't wait to bring my little girl home.

Originally Posted by wouldbedogowner

Crestie, I can assure you that when I bring an animal into my home, it will be responsibly taken care of. I have decided on a poodle because of their intelligence and amazing human-like insight. I can't wait to bring my little girl home.

Until it pisses on your pillow! Then what???

Crestie, have you ever known a pottytrained poodle to piss on their owner's pillow?..

They aren't cats. vetgroomer says it may happen because the cat is "anxious". Whatever. One of my main points since we veered onto this topic is, It still happens. With cats, it still happens.

Several people I know own dogs, it hasn't happen. And several of the people I know own cats, it happens often. You can find posts right here on this board where the cats have urinated in their laundry and on their beds.

I don't like cats, that's certainly no secret on here. But, if I did, that behavior alone would be reason enough for them to have to go. With dogs, you may get some scent marking, but it will be ON THE FLOOR, on furniture legs. Things you can handle. You're not going to get the crap that goes on with the cats.

I know a woman (different than the ones I'm already talked about) that cooked a plate of fried chicken and left it on her counter while taking a shower.When she was done showering, she intended to eat her chicken. Can you guess what happened next? You guessed it! When she came into the kitchen, the cat had jumped up on her counter and ate her chicken. She proceeded to scream, "That bitch ate my chicken!!" That bitch ate my chicken!!" (although it wasn't a bitch, it was a cat). She then threw her cat at the wall.

With a dog, you won't have them jumping all over your kitchen counters slinking around. Maybe the furniture (e.g. couch) but not the kitchen counters. They don't belong there and they know it.

No, I don't condone her behavior. She's not a friend of mine, just someone I met at a Tupperware party. But, at the party, she told me and several other people about what happened with the chicken.

I apologize in advance if this story is offensive to anyone.

Personally, I think cats should be kept outside and not inside of one's home.

[lulusmom]

Originally Posted by wouldbedogowner

Are you sure about that?...

To answer your question, only a stupid and cruel person would continue to spar with you. So yes, I was really, really stupid but I have finally pulled my head out and realize that I owe you a huge apology. For me to expect a person that possesses the IQ of a gnat's ass to follow anything that is being said here is just unfair. My momma would be ashamed if she knew I was becoming so very intolerant of a socially retarded person such as yourself.

I second Crestie's request to have this thread locked. This dialogue is futile, frustrating, becoming more and more volatile and most importantly, it is not representative of what this forum is all about. Moderator(s) will you please give our request due consideration?

And SPLINTERS, if you think cats are anywhere near as smart as dogs, you need a serious reality check.

Cats aren't involved in finding and rescueing people, cats aren't involved police work, cats can't dial 911 when their owner is in danger (like one dog recently did). They just are not as intelligent.

If you have a heart attack in your house with nothing but a cat around, you're on your own honey. The cat will not make any noise to alert anyone, it'll just step over your lifeless body and go look for a ball of yarn to play with.

Originally Posted by lulusmom

... For me to expect a person that possesses the IQ of a gnat's ass to follow anything that is being said here is just unfair.

Oh, dear girl. I wouldn't bet the farm on that one. Didn't you notice I was a psychologist? Check out my siggy...

Dear Wouldbe..I have been following this thread now for 9 "pages" and have been going through feelings of frustration, anger, disbelief, resignation, sadness and amusement even. I truly do not know or will even attempt to say cats are smarter than dogs, or dogs are smarter, who is sweeter, who is more potty trained and who is whatever more or not. I had cats and dogs, I prefer dogs but do like cats as well. I have encountered truly dumb dogs and amazingly intelligent cats and vice versa. There really is no point in arguing this point and this will be the only post I will ever write in regards to this thread. The only thing I am truly concerned about now is, knowing well, that you will get your now female formerly male poodle formerly -Shih-Tzu male-female, is that when you get the puppy - it is still a puppy or is it an adult now? - that you will find it in your heart to forgive her when she does have an accident, hopefully on your prestine kitchen floor, that you will not dip her nose in her own waste or whatnot and have your self-proclaimed intelligence to revert to techniques that are more effective and I do not mean throwing the dog out. I do sense you are excited about your as you call her now "little girl". She will grow up and maybe the novelty of the cute little puppy will wear off for you and also your son. I do not know his age but kids very often grow tired of new things and that unfortunately includes animals which then later end up somewhere that eventually leads them into an animal shelter, all of which are not non-kill. Please, do think about that as well. I know there is much to think and consider and all this can be confusing but as dead set as you are to get one now, please be as dead-set in seeing this through properly, giving her a chance and not expect miracles. You as a psychologist will know how little things can affect us as well as animals. We all get upset, as you can see here, we all display behavior that can lead to upsetting others, your little poddle girl will as well, especially when she craves Mommy's attention after a long day alone, with nothing to chew on when she is teething. I wish you and the dog the best of luck and hope you will at least look for a good home if it should not work out.

this from another shrink.

Originally Posted by lulusmom

I am usually not this stupid so can somebody please, please, tell me why I keep breaking my promise to quit wasting my time responding to anybody so annoyingly ignorant and unjustifiably pretentious?

Because you are animal lover who believes that their dogs/cats/bunnies whatever animal you have are not just a pet. They are part of the family. And they are treated that way. You treat them with respect and dignity and they treat you the same way.

Animals are NOT a novelty that is only paid attention to when wanted and expected to sit there unnoticed and still listen to every word you say.

This person on here is beyond ignorant. I would never shove my cat outside or get rid of it because it decided to one day pee in my hallway and it was more than a 'piddle'. Okay, actually....I'm going to stop myself before I go on a rant LoL

Originally Posted by wouldbedogowner

I know a woman (different than the ones I'm already talked about) that cooked a plate of fried chicken and left it on her counter while taking a shower.When she was done showering, she intended to eat her chicken. Can you guess what happened next? You guessed it! When she came into the kitchen, the cat had jumped up on her counter and ate her chicken. She proceeded to scream, "That bitch ate my chicken!!" That bitch ate my chicken!!" (although it wasn't a bitch, it was a cat). She then threw her cat at the wall.

With a dog, you won't have them jumping all over your kitchen counters slinking around. Maybe the furniture (e.g. couch) but not the kitchen counters. They don't belong there and they know it.

I've tried my best to stay quiet in this thread, but I just have to say one thing here...cats are NOT the only ones who will get on counters!! Dogs will as well, wether they know they belong there or not. Leave something tempting where a dog can get it and it will 9 times out of 10. Even if you think they cant get to it.
Please do us all a favour and stop showing your ignorance.

Originally Posted by Pauli

The only thing I am truly concerned about now is, knowing well, that you will get your now female formerly male poodle formerly -Shih-Tzu male-female, is that when you get the puppy - it is still a puppy or is it an adult now? - that you will find it in your heart to forgive her when she does have an accident, hopefully on your prestine kitchen floor, that you will not dip her nose in her own waste or whatnot and have your self-proclaimed intelligence to revert to techniques that are more effective and I do not mean throwing the dog out.

Hi, Pauli. Of course I wouldn't throw my dog out. What makes you think that? I decided on the poodle instead of the shih tzu because of the intelligence and ease of pottytraining factors. Shih tzu's are known to be stubborn in regard to housebreaking. I've decided on a female versus a male because I don't want marking issues, or messiness when they use the indoor litter box. I'm going with a puppy because I want to train it myself to avoid having to deal with any issues born from a previous owners training mistakes. Plus, it'll be fun to watch it grow.

Lastly, I'm sorry that you're sad, but make no mistake, should I bring a dog into my home, it will be treated with love and respect and cared for well.

Take Care.

Originally Posted by Jakesmom

I've tried my best to stay quiet in this thread, but I just have to say one thing here...cats are NOT the only ones who will get on counters!! Dogs will as well, wether they know they belong there or not. Leave something tempting where a dog can get it and it will 9 times out of 10. Even if you think they cant get to it.

Yes, jakesmom, you've really educated me. You mean dogs can do that as well?! Oh, my! Your insight is absolutely astounding!

Originally Posted by Pauli

Dear Wouldbe..that you will find it in your heart to forgive her when she does have an accident, hopefully on your prestine kitchen floor, that you will not dip her nose in her own waste or whatnot...

Actually, Pauli, my fellow shrink...When my puppy has an accident, I think I'll stick my feet in her face and let her smell 'em. That's what I do to my best friend's chihuaha when my friend isn't looking. Works for me.



(roflmao)

Wouldbe, I'm sorry, but you are dead wrong when you say that it's rare for dogs to urinate on the bed, on laundry, or on many other surfaces. How many times have you heard about a dog peeing on someone's leg? There are many videos of this very thing.

Working in a veterinary hospital, we see dogs all the time because they're urinating inappropriately; on the owner's bed, the kid's bed, in the laundry basket. My own dog has been known to urinate on my bed on occasion. It has always turned out to be because the dog had a UTI.

You think a cat would urinate on the bed because it doesn't like the husband? Why? Do cats urinate on the other cat in the house because it doesn't like him? Do cats urinate on the dog because they don't like dogs? It doesn't make sense that a cat would urinate on the bed just because they don't like the person who sleeps there. It would make more sense if the cat urinated on the person. But you rarely hear of that happening.

Seriously, I don't think you want to learn anything. You just want to be right, even when people with more knowledge and experience tell you what the facts are.

[Yogi]

Originally Posted by wouldbedogowner

Well, I see we have resorted to childish name-calling (sigh). Ok, regardless, well, guess what, Yogi? The cat of my former counselor was a female. Your next statement will probably be something to the effect of females mark as well.

I'm sorry but I'm not buying the reason her cat peed on her husband's side of the bed repeatedly was a marking issue. And how could it have been a marking issue? The sheets were repeatedly washed. In addition, the cat was well aware that this behavior was very upsetting to the family.

You and vetgroomer aren't being honest. Dogs will not engage in these unorthodox behaviors (e.g. peeing in clothes, on children's beds, laundry hampers, in the woman's makeup) anywhere near to the extent cats will. As I've already explained, it would be rare for dogs to do this.

I see you have 13 cats. If you hadn't told me and I visited your residence, I would be able to tell that cats were in the house as soon as I stepped through your front door. Just like that.

Lastly, you and vetgroomer want to pretend you doesn't understand my argument. No matter what the reason for the unorthodox peeing, the end result is the same: pee in your bed, your kids' bed, your laundry hamper. Again, you will NOT find this happening with a dog. Dog's don't indulge in this type of behavior.

How do I know this? I know from personal experience being around family and friends with both cats and dogs in their homes. Although the ones with cat, I stay away from their residence, but have been personally told by these individuals the acts that their cats have done.

I'm sorry if the truth offends you.

your continued replies to this post only confirms what I have stated....
Your only reason for being here is to attempt to justify your occupation. Your intent here is nor ever was to actually get a pet of any kind but to seek a reaction to your inquiry. This has been apparent from the beginning. Your occupation though unfortunately in no way implies that your knowledge of animals is accurate as you repeatedly has shown but in fact has only endorsed your ignorance of them. If you would take as much time studying first hand dogs and cats as you should have and I can only assume did to earn your degree and maintain your occupation you would see that your assessment of dogs and cats is incorrect but I find it unlikely that you will as with most I have met in your line of work through casual meetings, they are prone to being snobs and proverbial know it alls that have lost touch with the real world and those who reside in it. You sound like one of those who has been doling out advice so long that you are not able to take it when it comes from sources more intelligent than yourself especially in fields where your knowledge is so obviously lacking. It is too bad you will never truly experience the unconditional love that these animals can bring to a person. Instead you will continue to only fantasize about it and spew your lack of knowledge here as what apparently appears to be the only way you know how to communicate.
Generally those who come here are serious with concerns and are looking for advice of those who know. You claim to know but then still come here with some lame ass question that any one already knew the answer to had they ever had a dog. Yet when given the answer what is your response but instead of accepting the answers given, you only proceed to try and tell everyone what all your like friends have told you of their brief experiences. I again can only assume that you lump people together like these friends of yours have done when it comes to the rare experiences with their short lived pets. You and them fit the classification that I have seen for years, if the pet is not perfect it is taken to the vet and put down. This is the common reaction of perfectionists such as yourself. Never anything out of place and all things kept immaculately clean to the point of obsession. What a sick world that would be when left to know free thought but just follow a tightly woven routine ever day. Hell no, I want to slide in on my death bed wet and dirty screaming what a ride. You on the other hand are the type I can only assume based on what you have provided here as one who will die healthy with very little to look back at in the way of living and with no real life experiences outside of the life your patients have told you about. Everything here seems to fit this concept as everything you tell us is based on what others have told you not what you have actually experienced. Are you going to live through your children the same way or are you going to get out there and try it on for yourself. We can debate this all day but this will not change what I have seen from your posts here and lack of knowledge you truly have when it comes to not just dogs but also cats. Sorry, all the reading in the world does not excuse or ever will replace first hand experience that is why the majority of books on dogs and cats are lack so much considering the majority of these books are not written by dog or cat owners but are people like you, ask questions and obtain answers then write the book. They fail to actually get their hands dirty with the concept of real experience instead relying on others with no checks or balances to confirm the findings are true or not and then go off half cocked believing what info they have gathered has to be absolute when in fact it is lacking many sides to the story that only people who spend a great deal of time with animals could ever provide truth to. And for the record, do not ever assume a female cat does not mark. You obviously have no clue on this either as in fact they can. It is a fact on rare occasions that female can be an alpha cat though rare they do exist and will mark especially when knew additions come into the home.
But why I am telling you this, I mean from what I have read here you are the know it all granted that still does not explain totally why you have come here unless you are one of those idiots who are lurchers and are only here to satisfy something lacking in their life or do you even have a life......

[reeskujo]

Thanks to all of you who have tried to educate with your experience and knowledge I however am going to do what was requested and this thread will now be locked.