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Old 08-27-2009   #1 (permalink)
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Simon (12 weeks) eats his lunch, drinks a little water, walks into the hallway and pees on the rug. I admit, this was my fault, instead of taking him out after he woke up from a nap, I gave him his food.

As I'm cleaning the rug, Alvin (7 months), who hasn't had an accident in weeks, pees on the rug a couple of feet from where I'm cleaning up the first mess. I took them both outside every fifteen minutes until each of them peed outside.

I expect the fact that Simon still doesn't get going outside, but what about Alvin? Did he pee inside the house because he saw Simon do the same?

Now I guess I need to follow both of them around for a few days?
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You have not made clear who everything belongs to.
If your dogs would know that the rug is yours it would from his point of view not be necessary to pee on it.

Your elder dog just sees that the younger one is peeing on the rug and therefore he marked the rug --> it belongs to your pup.
Your seven month old dog has in the "pack" hierarchy more rights (from his point of view) and because he either doesn't know to whom everything belonges he has to mark above or next to the point where your younger dog has peed.

But you don't need to pee above to mark that the rug is yours. But you have to make things clear so your dogs can understand that there is no need to sort things out among themeselves.

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But you don't need to pee above to mark that the rug is yours. But you have to make things clear so your dogs can understand that there is no need to sort things out among themeselves.

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Can you suggest how I can make it clear that the rug is mine?
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Gee...Could it be that he is just a twelve week old puppy? Get real!!! The pup is a baby. What would you expect from a 12 week old puppy?
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well.. the issue is that the OLDER dog peed over the younger dog's pee..

This is really REALLY common in multi-dog houses. If i were you, i would not worry too much about the older dog, he will stop once you get your younger puppy to stop peeing there.

What you SHOULD do is contain the puppy to the kitchen or other easily cleanable surfaced room. This will make cleaning easier for you and make it less likely that your older dog will want to mark over it because the smell will be COMPLETELY gone once you clean. You also shoudl ALWAYS clean with an enzymatic cleaner like Nature's Miracle. I love that stuff and swear by it. Its AMAZING! Even in the washing machine, it works wonders.

So i'm assuming you dont want to keep the dog in the kitchen ALL THE TIME, and that is great.. but here is where the work comes in (anyone who told you having a puppy would be easy is off their rocker!)

WHen the dog is NOT confined to the kitchen, he should ALWAYS be within your sight, and you should ALWAYS have an eye on him when he is walking around. If he's sleeping, you can do your thing.. just like having a baby!

So if hes up and about, put a baby gate so that he cant leave the room that you are in. A baby gate will be your best friend.

Then comes the task of REALLY learning your dog. You need to learn the little things that your dog does when he's about to pee. All dogs are different.. some circle, some just sniff and squat.. its ALWAYS different.

If you see that behavior, or even an INKLING of the behavior, you just say "NO!" in a loud and sharp voice and pick him up and RUSH him outside... when he pees outside, throw a huge party complete with treats.

Eventually he will learn that peeing outside = treats.. peeing inside = a loud NO!

Another thing that we learned was once the dog learns that outside is the place to go, they will try and show you that they have to go by doing their little indicator, but because they are still young, they will end up going in the house because they physically CAN NOT hold their pee.

So one of the BEST training tools is a bell by your door. You can get one of those long strips of reindeer bells (like the xmas ones) and hang it on the door nob, or you can put a regular bell (like a cow bell) that if tapped makes a noise. Like this one ()

This is the perfect solution because no matter where you are in the house, you SHOLD be able to hear the bell.. We had an issue where cappy would go up to the door, look at it and walk away. If we missed that little tiny hint, he would go in the hosue. The bell was perfect.

To train the dog to use the bell, its REALLY easy. Every time you leave the house with the dog, you ring the bell.. The dog will learn that when the bell rings, you open the door and go outside. You shold do this EVERYTIME you go outside, not just for potty. The trainng will sink in more quickly this way..

Eventually the dog learns that going potty outside = party and the only way to get outside is to ring the bell!!!

Its all basic common sense, but most people dont think on these basic levels..

Let me know if you need more help! We managed to housetrain Cappy in 3 days, but he was a bit older.

Also remember that dogs PHYSICALLY can not hold their pee until about 6 months of age. If you ask anyone who had issues with puppy training, MOST will say that a switch flipped at 6 months old and they just started going outside..its because they can, at that age, actually hold it!
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Hi you,

I know 6 week old puppies are housetrained. That is nothing spectacular!
It has to do with the way I train a pup. When I believe experts telling me that a dog is not readily house trained until they are 6 months, then I always have excuses for my own falures and inconsequenzes.

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Can you suggest how I can make it clear that the rug is mine?
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what have you done, when you saw him peeing on the rug?
Normally I would take him on the leash go on the rug let him pee on there praise him and then would take him outside give him something to drink (lots of water with a gulp of milk)

The praise is important to show that all the negative influences on the rug can be "killed" and aren't present in future. (if there were any negative influences, for a pup it is enough when the owner shouts a loud: "oooohhh nooooo not again" or something like that)
The result would be an avoiding behaviour.

Let him drink a lot so you have the guarantee that he needs to do his business.
Go outside and praise when he is doing what he normally did on the rug, go inside and wait until he needs to go again. When you see your dog is getting nervous go outside and wait until he is doing again, praise him. Maybe you just lead him to one corner so you can make sure he will go there in future instead of the rug, when he needs to go to the toilette. If you like you can put a sign on it so he has to do his business when seeing this sign in future.

With the older one to show him that the rug is yours:
when he puts his nose down and "dances on the spot" (i guess you see when he will do so) then you have to "push" him aside. Don't use violence!
Stay from one to the next second next to him and make a big step aside towards your dog, so that you take him at/with you leg away from the rug.
Step backwards and let him show what he wants to do. If he leaves the situation praise him but confrontate him with the situation again as you tip on the point where he wanted to pee, so long as he leaves completely the space around the rug.

That you have to do again because a dog needs several situations.
If you provocate him and he doesnt want to come near the rug, then praise him or give him a treat. Then the dog has decided not to do something on there. That is a difference of saying: "no! leave that!" etc.

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She is stating that the problem is with her older dog, could you be more rude?
This is a forum for people who need help with their pets... telling someone to get real when they ask a question is just un called for ....
btw , i am speaking to you , laras mom!
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First off.. are you REALLY telling her to praise her dog when it pees on the rug? Now, to ANYONE that would sound backwards.. and it is. You are telling the dog "good dog" for peeing on the rug?!

It is also a medical fact that dogs CAN NOT hold their pee for long periods of time under the age of 6 months. You might be able to train the dog to show you that he needs to go potty, but if you arent right there to jump up and get him out that very second, you will still have accidents. Its a medical fact - there is no disputing that.

Its just like with babies. They do not have the muscles to hold their pee until its the proper time to go. MOST dogs, once they get to a certain age and understand the rules, do not WANT to go inside of the house, but they do anyways because they physically can not hold it.
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