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Old 10-18-2007   #1 (permalink)
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I've been through a very bad experience with my purebred miniature schnauzers. At the beginning of this year, we had two mini schnauzers, Lacie and Zoe. They were sister dogs (same) dam/sire parents, just different litters. This past February, Lacie died unexpectedly in her sleep...she was only a year and a half old. I was devestated. This was my 'little girl', she was just a baby. Our five year old little boy witnessed my reaction when I realized that she had passed away. It was a very horrible day.

I wanted to have an autopsy done because I wanted to know why she died. My parents and husband finally helped me to realize that a)we couldn't afford it, and b) it wouldn't bring her back. Before we had her cremated, we gave the breeder the opportunity to have an autopsy done, she refused. She was convinced that Lacie was poisioned...she even suggested to me that a raven could have flown over my backyard and dropped something toxic, and that is why Lacie died.

The next two weeks that followed were very hard. I couldn't stop crying. Our little boy was having nightmares and Zoe, our other schanuzer, was barely eating and showing signs that she was depressed.

Thinking that things couldn't get any worse, Zoe who had just turned 2, became sick. We immediately took her to the vet. After diagnostic testing we discovered that most of her liver is missing; causing several of her organs to be displaced. She may have a liver shunt, and she had Pancreatitis. Zoe was not overweight and we never fed her table scraps.

Without acusation, I notified the breeder...thinking that she would care and want to know what was happening. I got the classic "none of my dogs have ever been sick before".

My vet confirmed that Zoe's condition was genetic and he generated a letter to support that both he and a specialist agreed her condition was congenital and genetic. I provided this letter to the breeder as per her request.

The breeder responded by mailing me a letter advising me to "return the unsatisfactory merchandise for a store credit". We were offered another dog or "as a special favour from her" , a refund....but ONLY if we returned Zoe to her.

First of all, Zoe is a member of our family, she is not "returnable", and furthermore, I did not buy a toaster from Walmart...Zoe is not merchandise. How could she ask that of us, especially after she knew what we went through with losing Lacie? I put my feelings aside and asked the breeder to think of our son. I tried to explain to her how much he had bonded with Zoe since we lost Lacie, and how it would affect him if we had to give her up. The breeder wouldn't even respond.

Returning Zoe was NOT an option. Things just didn't measure up. What was happening with our dogs was not a coinsidence. My instincts told me that there was more to the story. We felt betrayed, heartbroken and ripped off.

Funny thing is that when we first got our dogs, the breeder seemed to be very nice. But as soon as there was a problem...she wasn't so nice anymore.

I started making calls and researching canine genetics. I knew that I had to do something. I couldn't just let this breeder walk away like we didn't exist. She showed zero compasion and zero accountability. Over and over, she proved to us that she just didn't care. She even told me that I was "lucky that she even has a guarantee" and that "most breeders have none", and that she "could have easily told us, too bad, so sad, see you around". The breeder would only honour her guarantee if I gave her Zoe...which was never indicated on her guarantee. Her guarantee was vague, poorly written and was not signed or dated. I contacted a lawyer and was informed that because of this, she had nothing to protect her in court.

I did take the breeder to court. I also discovered and provided proof to the court that there were significant genetic problems in the bloodlines of my dogs. Six months later, a judge signed a court order...I got my money back for Zoe, and Zoe remains with her family...where she belongs.

Zoe has been sick several times since I won my case. We thought we were going to lose her about a month ago. We now know that something is also wrong with her intestines and bowels. She is responding well to medication...and for now, has quality of life. We take it day by day, no one knows what tomorrow will bring. I appreciate every day that I have her in our lives. She's been through so much.

I am now in the process of creating my own website to help people that want to buy a purebred dog. I want it to be a consumer protection site for puppy buyers. I am also seeking legal advice because I want people to be able to report bad breeders and also be able to commend good breeders. I think that the public would benefit because it could be used to expose non-reputable breeders. Bad breeders discredit all breeders!

There are no laws or legislation (in Canada) that protect people from bad breeding practices. I can only hope that my website will help people make wise and informed decisions before buying a dog.

If anyone has any ideas, or input regarding my experience or this website (currently being created), please do not hesitate to respond.

Thank you for taking the time to read my story.

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What a horrible uncaring person that breeder is. I am so sorry you have lost one baby and have the other one ill. I am so glad you won the day in court. I hope that Zoe can be sorted out by the vet and she lives a happy long life. Please give her a hug from me.-----Aggy

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i am so sorry to here about the loss of your dog, i can really sympathise as my family lost a puppy very young for no known reasons (at the time) and although it has been four years we still have regular tears about the loss of our standard poodle murphy, we purchased another puppy from the same breeder believing him to be reputable but unfortunately Louis has a blood disorder Von Willebrands, caused by bad breeding, just before Louis was diagnosed we took an ex-breeding bitch from the breeder and have since found out that the reason she seems to walk a bit strange is because she was bred far to young.
we dont know quite how to approach this breeder especially since he is currently in hospital and is retiring, he offered us two dogs that he said were "surplus to requirements" due to his ill health but we felt we had to refuse rather that continue looking after dogs that he has used and abused we simply cannot afford the vets payments although it breaks our hearts.
i used to think buying puppies from well known breeders was the responsible thing to do but would now steer clear of anyone who breeds on a large scale because i personally feel that some of them are only in it for the money.
there definately needs to be more laws about the breeding of dogs to prevent all the dogs in unnessasary pain because of ill breeding and the heart ache it causes loving owners -x-
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Very weird....I just read something almost identical to your post on another forum, except that the dog in question was a white shepherd pup that the new owners had discovered many genetic flaws....the breeder wouldn't even acknowledge the truth and isn't responding to their querries. The pup is alive but will not be usable for the intent it was advertised and that the new owners were looking for. Guess it happens in every breed.
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People have got to do their reseach & not deal with byb's. reputable, responsible breeders are few & far between.

they don't breed a dog until they have a list of approved homes. they don't ship puppies, sell to pet shops or advertise in newspapers. their puppies don't leave home until at least 12 weeks so until 14 weeks

here is some excellent info ( except the age )

HOW TO RECOGNIZE A REPUTABLE DOG BREEDER

as for the website I truly would not advise doing that. think about it - what will prevent one breeder from writing in bad info on a competitor? certainly you don't believe everyone who posts on message boards is honest, truthful & trustworthy do you?

what would stop someone who is pissed because a GOOD breeder turned them down from writing some nasty lies about them. you have no way of knowing if the info is true or not
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Re suebgone reply:

I absolutely agree with you regarding the website. I consulted with a lawyer to find out what I needed to be aware of as far as legal issues that would be associated by creating this type of website. Inevitably, it would probably result in more negativity than anything else - and that is not what I want. I also don't want to be responsible for someone's reputation being unfairly damaged. There would be no way for me to determine if people were telling the truth or not. Trust me, I've given it a lot of thought, and I do agree with you.

I live in a small town, word-of-mouth can be a very powerful thing. I really don't have to do anything...she is ruining her reputation as a breeder all on her very own.

I just wish there was more I could do because these dogs deserve so much more than that.
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one thing you could do is to print out information such as the link I provided you, & educate people about the difference in breeders. perhaps post on bulletin boards

you can speak from experience which more people will listen to.

write a letter to the editor as to what people should look for in a responsible breeder

that way you are taking a neutral stand & no names need to be used.

you could also promote shelter & rescue dogs instead of going to a breeder at all, thereby saving 3 lives at once

some web sites that may interest you

prisonersofgreed.org - nopuppymills.com - HSUS
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i agree with you, once you get your new baby you can't just hand it over to someone that is not the way it works with people that really love their pets.. they are part of the family just like our children sometimes they are spoiled lots more than our children ever were, but i am glad that you reported her and that you won your case, i hope that you and your baby will have a long time together yet.. i have 5 little babies and i know what you mean about family my oldest is a peek a poo she is 14 and i love her to death i have had her since she was 3 months old and now she is starting to go deaf and she is just about blind but she will still try to play like a pup she just bumps into stuff sometimes lol but until i have to she will always be right here with me.. good luck with your baby...
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To the OP: I am truely sorry for what you've gone through, that was very wrong of the breeder. I'm glad that her reputation is getting destroyed, because she's harming not only the dogs, but also the humans that love the puppies they purchase.

To suebgone:

So let me see if I understand this correctly.
Any breeder that ships puppies, or lets their puppies leave home before 12-14 weeks of age is not reputable or responsible?

If this is what you mean, then I would assume that the majority of the breeders winning AKC Championships with their dogs, that have phenominal dogs, bred to other phenominal dogs, that produce amazing quality puppies that also win AKC championships are not reputable or responsible breeders because they will ship their puppies both Nationwide and Internationally... and if you pick the puppy up yourself you can pick it up as early as 7-8 weeks of age. Is that right?

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People have got to do their reseach & not deal with byb's. reputable, responsible breeders are few & far between.

they don't breed a dog until they have a list of approved homes. they don't ship puppies, sell to pet shops or advertise in newspapers. their puppies don't leave home until at least 12 weeks so until 14 weeks

here is some excellent info ( except the age )

HOW TO RECOGNIZE A REPUTABLE DOG BREEDER

as for the website I truly would not advise doing that. think about it - what will prevent one breeder from writing in bad info on a competitor? certainly you don't believe everyone who posts on message boards is honest, truthful & trustworthy do you?

what would stop someone who is pissed because a GOOD breeder turned them down from writing some nasty lies about them. you have no way of knowing if the info is true or not
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Good job schnauzermum your are great...I admire you in your action regarding Zoe's situation...You are a very nice and loving pet owner...I also support you in making a site to help people to find a good breeder...
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