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Old 03-08-2011   #21 (permalink)
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Seems to depend on the individual breeder, one added that you can never kennel your dog overnight, if you go on vacation, you had to ship the dog back to the breeder if you went on vacation... At your expense. Of course it said nothing about overnight medical care... Most vets kennel a dog when it's night.
Another one said no balls.. You cannot give the dog balls at anytime in their life, of any size, shape, or color..
Another one wanted every medical record, for them to go over to decide that you were taking care of the dog based on their judgement, and te dog was not to have unnesiscary treatments... They wernt a vet just a breeder.
Next you will see, dog can only eat off fine china, have at least 2 vacations a year, massage every 6 weeks, postrapedic mattress, teach the dog tricks in 3 languages, attend only catholic church services.

I think it's time for breeders to start trusting their judgement and let go of the dog once it has a new family, in many cases adopting a child would be less hastle.
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This is the assumption that many have about breeding, that there is less risk.
This myth is simply incorrect. Having a vet does not ensure a healthy litter as vets are rarely there when whelping is done. This is left to the owner and breeder and those with little to no experience are left at a loss if something happens. You do not have time to call a vet, there is just minutes to save the dam or pup.
As an AKC breeder, I do agree if in fact what you describe is worded in contracts ie: eating off China, having to ship the dog back to the breeder instead of leaving in a crate etc. This is simply ridiculous. On the other hand,
I am one who does insist that anyone purchasing one of my pups stay in contact with me and keep me updated on the pups progress. Noting that my door is always open should they have a problem so that I can help in anyway.
Mine are sold with some stipulations regarding home life, family etc. They will not just go to anyone who happens to want one. I put them through a questions and answers period that I use to determine if they are even qualified to own my breed. I have turned down many over the years for wrong answers or wrong living conditions.
As a breeder that is not just my right but my responsibility. My goal is to find the correct match and circumstances where the pup has a full life with no fear of return or being placed in a shelter because someone did not know what they were getting into.
Breeding in no way is an undertaking that should be done lightly and takes a great deal of time to learn. It is more than a stud and bitch and as one pointed out, my stud fees are the equivalent to the price of one of my pups.
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I'm importing my male from France, a breeder overseas is just esier to deal with then most AKC, NCA breeders.
I think it's great that you like to stay in contact with your chosen families, but what would you do if someone decided not to stay in contact with you? Make a federal case out of it? Not that a judge would hold the family to it anyway.
Many people with contracts sell their pets to strangers, who have no idea there even was a contract, move away, and never contact the breeder again.
So yes you must be careful with who your selling your puppies to, but even then, in this economy, it's not fool proof.
I'm sorry, breeding a dog isn't rocket science. I've bread Arabians and while it can be difficult, I firmly beleive that anyone with animal experience and willingness to learn could do it. And yes something could happen, and you may not know what to do, there may be nothing you can do, and it's sad, puppies do die from time to time, even to the most experienced of breeders, it's life.
I'm lucky, I use a farm vet, he does housecalls, even in the middle of the night, he lives mins away, so I would never be truly on my own with it.
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I'm importing my male from France, a breeder overseas is just esier to deal with then most AKC, NCA breeders.
I think it's great that you like to stay in contact with your chosen families, but what would you do if someone decided not to stay in contact with you? Make a federal case out of it? Not that a judge would hold the family to it anyway.
Many people with contracts sell their pets to strangers, who have no idea there even was a contract, move away, and never contact the breeder again.
So yes you must be careful with who your selling your puppies to, but even then, in this economy, it's not fool proof.
I'm sorry, breeding a dog isn't rocket science. I've bread Arabians and while it can be difficult, I firmly beleive that anyone with animal experience and willingness to learn could do it. And yes something could happen, and you may not know what to do, there may be nothing you can do, and it's sad, puppies do die from time to time, even to the most experienced of breeders, it's life.
I'm lucky, I use a farm vet, he does housecalls, even in the middle of the night, he lives mins away, so I would never be truly on my own with it.
Common sense on both the breeder and new owners part dictates keeping in touch. That is why many breeders are so picky with their contracts and agreements.
You state that "I've bread Arabians and while it can be difficult, I firmly beleive that anyone with animal experience and willingness to learn could do it".

You touched on part of the solution yourself, first to note...you BRED not bread and that anyone with willingness to learn. This is the key. No it is not rocket science but at the same time anyone with an ounce of common sense and sincerity in breeding took the time to learn, work with mentor, study up on their breed and breeding before arbitrarily announcing that it is not rocket science. To assume that its just life that pups die is not acceptable to a reputable breeder only to those who have no regard for the process. Giving birth to a child can result in the same, do you take the same attitude with this? I doubt it, you go in fully prepared as to avoid complications and should they arise, you are prepared for what you need to do. I have bred for over 50 years, I have lost only one pup, still born. For those that have had difficulty, I was able to save them because I DID take the time to learn first. This is not a learn as you go along program. The goal is to produce well rounded healthy pups and not lose any all because you were not prepared. This is why so often people remark "leave it to the professionals". All because of the attitude that most take that "how hard can it be". There is far more than what one thinks and that is bore out in the attitude that most have, based on the fact that they simply know to little but assume they know it all.
No one here is going to tell you not to breed, that is your business. Where you purchase your dog is your business, but coming here with a game plan as you noted, be reminded it is a forum and you are going to have to expect to hear things you do not want to hear or feel you shouldn't. Unfortunately, that is what happens with forums especially when it comes to breeding. I can only hope that you take your own advice to LEARN before leaping in with eyes shut and never accept the idea that losing a pup is just life. It is not, especially when if you had learned you could have prevented it.
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