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Old 12-11-2008   #1 (permalink)
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I'm located in RI.
I am looking to breed my 1 year old beagle/rat terrier mix. Her name is Gwen. She's active, healthy, beautiful colors, great with other dogs big or small, and would make a great mommy . I would like her to have at least one litter before we get her spayed. I have experience with pregnant dogs and puppies as well. I'm aware of the decision I'm making and I'm going to make sure her and her puppies have the best of care and I know the care and responsibility it takes. I'm not just going to breed her and leave the puppies to fend for themselves like a lot of jerks do. I have friends and family members who have asked me if I'm going to breed her and that they would like to adopt one of her puppies after she has them and they're grown enough. She is not purebred. I'm not looking for an uptight breeder snob who is going to be rude and call my dog "a poorly bred animal" again (yes, someone actually said that). People like that are so rude and careless. I love all dogs of all shapes and sizes. Just because it's a mutt doesn't mean it's a poor breed of dog.

Anyway, I would like to breed her with either a rat terrier or (this might sound a little odd) a corgi.

So if you have either breed and live in (or can travel to) RI, I would love to talk with you more and I'm sure Gweny would love to meet you as well .

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I would like her to have at least one litter before we get her spayed.
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I'm not just going to breed her and leave the puppies to fend for themselves like a lot of jerks do.
Yes but what about all those good homes you're taking away from wonderful mutts sitting in your local shelters?

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I'm not looking for an uptight breeder snob who is going to be rude and call my dog "a poorly bred animal" again (yes, someone actually said that). People like that are so rude and careless. I love all dogs of all shapes and sizes. Just because it's a mutt doesn't mean it's a poor breed of dog.
Well, I'm not much for breeder snobs either, however, there is a dog over population problem that many are concerned with. And many shelters are filled to the brim with the kind of dog you intend to produce. And since you have no idea what your dogs will turn out to be, or what effect birthing will have on your beloved dog, why are you taking this risk?

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Anyway, this might sound a little odd but I'm looking to breed her with a corgi.
Odd is not the word I would have chosen, but I hope you consider alternatives. I think what you intend to do is one of the worst crimes in dogdom...just my opinion.
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I appreciate your reply and your concern, but you don't have to worry about ME and ME breeding MY dog. Why? It's absolutely none of your business to know why, but I'll be kind enough to tell you anyway. One of the reasons is to keep her legacy alive. It sounds corny, but you wouldn't understand I guess. The other reason is because I would like to raise a puppy from birth again. All most (notice how I said "most" not "all) of the "mutts" in the shelters are usually older and are already set to their own habits. I've been looking in shelters and it's just not the way I choose to go. It's MY decision. Just like people go to foster homes and adopt a child. Some people don't always want to go that route. They want to have their own.

I also agree with you about the over population. I'm fully aware of that. Then again, not EVERY litter ends up in shelters. Again, I will ONLY give the pups to good homes where the person can afford to raise them and that have the time and energy. Though you and I both know that anything can happen. But who's to say it will go bad either? I will be doing my research on the adopting family enough to assure the best home possible.

I know what I'm doing and I know the pro's and con's. Again, I appreciate your opinion, I really do, but to anyone else reading my post and thinking about saying the same thing: DO NOT waste your breath. I am going to breed her. What you have to say will not sway me. I understand peoples' concerns, it's a very touchy subject, but it is my decision and I will be looking to breed her.

So again, if you have a male rat terrier (her other half) or male corgi, I would like to speak with you more about breeding our dogs. I appreciate it. Otherwise, don't reply. I will not read it.

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It's people like you that I'm talking about. Mind your own business.
You don't get it...I am minding my own business.

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You think I'm not aware of over population? AGAIN! I WILL make sure the puppies go to good homes ONLY. I WILL make sure they go to someone who can afford to take care of them and have the time for them.
You still don't get it...wouldn't those homes make for good adoption homes for a shelter dog? Every puppy you produce and sell or give away to one of these homes is one home taken away from a shelter dog. Who come with as many guarantees as you're capable of offering.

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You're ridiculous. You are rude and nosey. I understand you want the pet population to be decreased. I want that too. I'm not just breeding her and throwing her puppies out the door. I'm pretty sure you do NOT know who I am, so you have no right to make judgements about me. I didn't ask for anyone's opinion. THANK YOU.
This is a discussion forum, you can't pick and choose which responses you'll get. If you want that control, you simply don't post. Otherwise, I have just as much right to offer you my opinion as you do yours on the ethics of breeding. You being insulting does more to demonstrate your ilk than it does to offend me.
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Sounds like a troll to me! He/she knows exactly what buttons to push. If it is a legit post, then you should heed the advice given here. Continue her legacy...what a crock of crap! If you love your dog, SPAY HER! Not to mention, your dog is only a year old...mutt or not, NO female should be bred before it is 2 yrs old.
 
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I see you edited your original response to mine…I hope that means you’re actively thinking about your decision.

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One of the reasons is to keep her legacy alive.
If she should die during birthing, or if the pups end up being maltempered, is this the kind of legacy you’re willing to risk on her behalf? You only have this one dog, why not appreciate the one you can love now? Sure, new life is wonderful and beautiful, but it’s short and it has it’s antithesis. I wouldn’t risk my dog’s life or possibly ruin the relationship of friends and family by producing animals on a whim. But “you wouldn't understand I guess.”

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The other reason is because I would like to raise a puppy from birth again.
How about mentoring with a reputable breeder, or volunteering at a shelter? Shelters often get pregnant mamas in, who could use the care of a volunteer.

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All most (notice how I said "most" not "all) of the "mutts" in the shelters are usually older and are already set to their own habits.
Behavior is modifiable, and learning is genetic, so new habits can be learned. Old or young, every dog deserves a home. Or do you disagree?

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Just like people go to foster homes and adopt a child. Some people don't always want to go that route. They want to have their own.
I don’t know any people birthing dogs, do you? You’re comparing apples to oranges. The dog isn’t making an ethical breeding decision for herself; you are making this decision for her and for me. How am I responsible? I pay property taxes, and a portion of those taxes pays to house and euthanize dogs in my shelter. I don’t appreciate the burden you’re putting on my wallet so you can play doG.

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But who's to say it will go bad either?
Dogs are euthanized everyday for not having a home, and I couldn’t for a minute rationalize that this is good. I’m simply stating the numbers. You’re adding dogs into the world, and regardless of how well you select homes for them, you’re subtracting those opportunities from shelter dogs. I wouldn’t be proud of this.
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Looking2breed....Any type of dog forum you post on with a post such as yours is going to get negative feed back.....People on these types of forums are against unethical breeding and that especially includes breeders and former breeders like myself as well as those of us who have dogs whom we've rescued....

Unfortunetly these are most likely the only type of replies your going to get....I can say with almost 100% certainty that no one here will take you up on your request.

The best advice I can give you is if you don't want to deal with such responses don't post a thread such as yours on a forum such as this....

Please keep in mind as well that name calling will not be tolerated on this forum....Everyone is entitled to their opinion and everyone is entitled to disagree but if there is any future name calling this thread will be locked!

Thank you for your understanding and everyone's cooperation is greatly appreciated.
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I hope this is a scam post, I really do! Breeding a Mutt (not matter how wonderful) is VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY irresponsible!!!!!! What health tests have you done on her? You know she MUST be at least 2 years old or she could very well die. Can you afford vet exams, worming, vaccinations, food, etc. for all the puppies? Can you afford the c-section she will most likely need? Are you willing for her to die to "keep her legacy alive" many bitches die whelping a litter. I just bred a litter and so far it has cost me about $9000 (they are only 2.5 weeks old). Do you have the kind of cash sitting around? Have you taken any classes? have you done any genetic health testing? thyroid? knees? hips? Eyes? heart? through OFA, PennHip & CERF? Have you done a brucellosis test? I hate to be a killjoy but there is more to breeding then just putting dogs together... do you know how to safely handle a mating? There is SO much to think about. If you want another mutt PLEASE go adopt one from the shelter and have your girl spayed. Being an intact female put her at high risk? Do you know the signs of Mastitis? Eclampsia? Pyometra?

Also not to be rude but I don't know anybody in their right mind who would breed their dog to a mutt... sorry but it is true, you have a hard task ahead of you!!

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OrangeDog....Thank you for posting very useful and important information.
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I also dont think that anyone will agree to breed their dog to a mutt...
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Looking2breed. I am not going to deny that your gwen is one very pretty little lady, very cute indeed. It is wonderful that you have a dog, that fulfills you, and is a fantastic companion.

In saying that, I can not support your thoughts in breeding her. I will not repeat what has already been said about it, it is not necessary and im sure you dont want to hear a broken record, but I would like to add another perspective to consider, that being simply, that breeding Gwen is not going to carry on her legacy the way you think it might. In breeding a dog there is going to be no guarentee in nature, physical fitness and wellness, and given Gwen is not pure breed, appearance of her puppies.

I would encourage you to reconsider your thoughts, and just love and enjoy Gwen for as long as you can, let her legacy live in your heart when she is gone, this is where a dogs legacy should be.

Keeping in mind too the longer you take to spay her and if you do breed her, you do run a higher risk of signifigantly reducing the quality of her life if not risking early passing.

As ree said, this can be a bit of a sensitive topic, there are too many here, that have experienced the "ugly" of breeding, and would hate to see another wonderful companion end up in early demise because the owner was unaware of the risks.

Dont take these responses too much to heart, just read them for what they are, other dog lovers, who ultimately, want to know that you can enjoy your Gwen for as long as possible, breeding her runs too many risks of cutting this time short.
 
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All most (notice how I said "most" not "all) of the "mutts" in the shelters are usually older and are already set to their own habits.
You're sure about that? I work as a volunteer at a no-kill rescue. We receive 20-30 puppies each WEEK. Sometimes more. Most are 6-8 weeks of age, and most of them came from situations like yours. Some of them are sick with distemper, parvo, kennel cough, and don't survive. The ones that do make it are vaccinated, wormed, spayed/neutered and groomed if necessary. Then we start the process of finding them homes.

Go work at a shelter for a few weeks, and see what I see.
 
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I'm located in RI.
I am looking to breed my 1 year old beagle/rat terrier mix. Her name is Gwen. She's active, healthy, beautiful colors, great with other dogs big or small, and would make a great mommy . I would like her to have at least one litter before we get her spayed. I have experience with pregnant dogs and puppies as well. I'm aware of the decision I'm making and I'm going to make sure her and her puppies have the best of care and I know the care and responsibility it takes. I'm not just going to breed her and leave the puppies to fend for themselves like a lot of jerks do. I have friends and family members who have asked me if I'm going to breed her and that they would like to adopt one of her puppies after she has them and they're grown enough. She is not purebred. I'm not looking for an uptight breeder snob who is going to be rude and call my dog "a poorly bred animal" again (yes, someone actually said that). People like that are so rude and careless. I love all dogs of all shapes and sizes. Just because it's a mutt doesn't mean it's a poor breed of dog.

Anyway, I would like to breed her with either a rat terrier or (this might sound a little odd) a corgi.

So if you have either breed and live in (or can travel to) RI, I would love to talk with you more and I'm sure Gweny would love to meet you as well .

Attached is a picture of her.
I was reading through all of the responses on here and I almost fell off my chair. Are you people serious? Dogs that are not purebreds should not reproduce? The notion is absurd on its face. Don’t let the "pound patrol" get you down, they are obviously biased and ignorant to the reality of owning a good mixed breed. You picked the wrong place to post your question, you should search for another discussion forum that relates to the enjoyment of dogs, not the protection of breeds. I cant speak for the rest of the world but where I live, we have at any given time 8 to 12 dogs at the local SPCA, many of us walk the dogs and assist in their placement to loving families, this should not discourage you from producing your own family. There was one correct thought amongst the distain and venom though, you should likely wait until your girl is a couple years old before breeding her. Good luck to you and enjoy your mutt, like so many of us do!
 
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