Hello, new here , nice to be a new member. We have a Papillon Nikita,who delivered first litter one pup 2 days ago. WE had complications where the female did not push anymore and the pup was in the canal for about 40 mins. We rushed her to the vet and they saved the pup. When we got back home we notice the female mom was not being a very good mom, in licking her, feeding her. My wife was disappointed because our female Nikita before the pregnancy and still after the delivering licks us to death. My wife made a predication she would be a great mom, but not the case! When we let the female nikita out to pee she does not return to her young one, she doesn't even go to her cry for feeding. We do not know what happen, maybe something at the vet when they pulled out the pup and the mom did not deliver naturally. I do not know, we have the mom and pup in the cage at night and day to care for her young. If we let the mom out we are afraid she will not feed the pup, that is why we leave her in the cage, i know she probably does not like that, but we have no choice. I am hoping for some advice or answers why the mom, has decided not to be a mom, it is almost as the pup is not hers, maybe she suffered so much during labor, or something behind closed doors at the vet. Looking answers

thank you
Phil and Ly

I have no answers but did not want to see your post go unnoticed- I am sad to hear that and I can imagine your frustration- I hope you can get things figured out~

[Yogi]

How old is is the mother? You did not mention this. In many cases a female younger than 2 is not ready for a litter and not really capable yet of being a good mother. My Papillon had her litter on 1/6. Three pups and all were cleaned and cared for properly. Mine is 3 years old now. Most people I have talked to about this issue have later told me that the mother was only a year or in some cases younger. It is always recommended that that a breeding female be at least 2 years of age so that it is mature enough to deal with pregnancy and having a litter. The same issue can happen if it is an older dog that has never had a litter until later in life.

well some times the mother will stop going to the young pups if people go to them alot

i breed alot of diff ages dogs, diff breeds of dogs and the only time we had any problems like that if we messed with them when mother was tryin to do the mothers duty.then they usual stop feeding.. Good Luck

Sorry to hear you are having a hard time... Yes I was also going to ask how old "mama dog" is. I have a 2 1/2 year old bitch who's first litter at 2 1/2 years old had 10 puppies. She is a great mom and I feel this is partly because she is OLD ENOUGH to have a litter. Think of it as the difference between a 12 year old girl and a 26 year old woman having a child, if to young, no matter how healthy, etc. they are just not emotionaly ready. Sounds like you may need to bottle feed the puppy to suppliment nursing and make sure she is getting enough nutrition.

I also wanted to comment on my thoughts about Candy2000's comment. That is not a good sign. A healthy bitch with a GOOD & SOUND TEMPERAMENT should be unfazed by people she knows handling her puppies. How do you deal with daily weight checks, etc. if you girl stops caring for the pups you handle? Bottle feed?

I saw you just put this on here so i hope everything is okay

[SavatheWolf]

I have heard in some cases that unatural birth/complications in birth or pregnancy the mother will not really want anything to do with the pup. Try wiping the vulva with a towel then rubbing it on the puppy. I have heard of great success with this method. The puppy will smell like the mom and hopefully that should encourage the dam to like her puppy again. Repeat this every few days or so, or whenever she stops giving the puppy attention.

[CorkyMax]

Sorry! This thread was posted over 1 year ago--See upper left of the post for date. May be of help to others but 'original' is long gone or at least no longer needs the info!

[Todd]

Over a year old??? Well, for those who may be helped by this, does any truth backup the fact that dogs may not care for their young if they are sick or does that just apply to other species of animals?

[Yogi]

Originally Posted by biggloo

All of the so called " dog breeding experts " on here need to inform the AKC that the information on their web site is incorrect, inhumane and immoral, as you would like to make others believe they are.
According to the AKC , a dog should not be bred until after it's first heat - wait atleast until the second heat( a year to a year and a half old . )

below is copied from akc.org.
American Kennel Club - Breeders

~Bitches have their first estrus (also know as season or heat) after six months of age, although it can occur as late as 18 months to two years of age. Estrus recurs at intervals of approximately six months until late in life. During estrus, the female is fertile and will accept a male. The bitch should not be bred during her first season.

~Keep in mind that AKC Rules do not allow, except with special documentation, the registration of a litter out of a dam less than 8 months or more than 12 years of age at the time of mating, or by a sire less than 7 months or more than 12 years of age at the time of mating.

For the record since this topic and post have seen activity. The AKC rules are in no way meant to be the deciding and all mighty laws of breeding. Quite the contrary. In fact, they support more often than not the 2 year age for bitches as that is the earliest breed tests can be done. They only document what all who have any knowledge of breeding all ready know, do not breed when they first come into season and puppies should no breed puppies. The stipulation ie: age is to ensure people do not jump the gun and start immediately breeding. AKC does not control really anything but registration. Breed clubs are the primary dictators of majority of what you will find on the AKC page. But less not lose our common sense thinking. Simply put, you do not breed a bitch under 2 years of age. You will find that this only increases issues as noted by the poster (even if this dog is not under 2, this is a common occurrence) and should not be bred under 2 for the more obvious reason, health testing.

Originally Posted by Todd

Over a year old??? Well, for those who may be helped by this, does any truth backup the fact that dogs may not care for their young if they are sick or does that just apply to other species of animals?

No, in fact this is not that uncommon of an occurrence. Especially in multiple litters. A weak one or sickly one may not get the attention from the dam.

[helenk579]

Originally Posted by pegt10

Hello, new here , nice to be a new member. We have a Papillon Nikita,who delivered first litter one pup 2 days ago. WE had complications where the female did not push anymore and the pup was in the canal for about 40 mins. We rushed her to the vet and they saved the pup. When we got back home we notice the female mom was not being a very good mom, in licking her, feeding her. My wife was disappointed because our female Nikita before the pregnancy and still after the delivering licks us to death. My wife made a predication she would be a great mom, but not the case! When we let the female nikita out to pee she does not return to her young one, she doesn't even go to her cry for feeding. We do not know what happen, maybe something at the vet when they pulled out the pup and the mom did not deliver naturally. I do not know, we have the mom and pup in the cage at night and day to care for her young. If we let the mom out we are afraid she will not feed the pup, that is why we leave her in the cage, i know she probably does not like that, but we have no choice. I am hoping for some advice or answers why the mom, has decided not to be a mom, it is almost as the pup is not hers, maybe she suffered so much during labor, or something behind closed doors at the vet. Looking answers

thank you
Phil and Ly

Thanks you for the post.
Hi guys, Im a newbie. Nice to join this forum.

[Todd]

Originally Posted by helenk579

Thanks you for the post.
Hi guys, Im a newbie. Nice to join this forum.

Glad to have you on the forum. Welcome!