[husky_penny]

My AKC registered husky jumped our wall and bred with our neighbor's AKC register husky. We did plan on breeding our red-haired bitch, but not with our neighbors dog. We dealt with the labor of "Penny's" litter of 5, upgraded her diet, etc. Since there was no legal agreement, how do we decide who gets what? I have read that we either pay for stud service upfront, or the stud gets one pup with first pick. Since there is no existing legal agreement prior to her pregnancy, we are under the impression that our neighbors stud will get one pup with first pick. OR we split the cost of shots and deworming, and he gets two pups. What would be the best choice for both parties since he is our neighbor and don't want any "hard feelings?"

[pinsnpugs]

Is the owner of the male asking for anything?
Technically if it was indeed an accident, than there was no contract and nothing is due anyone.

Issue I see is your dog is the one who went on their property. If he is asking for compensation, then to keep on good terms I would say to give him something.

In general you would either pay a stud fee (generally equivalent to the price of a puppy) which he may let you wait till you sell a pup to give it to him. Or you can allow him to pick a puppy then he has the right to keep it or sell it.

[husky_penny]

Well, he hasn't really asked for anything. BUT he came over to look at the pups and said that he was pricing how much huskies are going for on the web. He suggested we split the cost of shots and deworming when they are ready for that. So with everything he's said to us, we get the feeling he wants something. I don't object to that, its just a matter of deciding what is fair. I was thinking of telling him we can split the cost of shots/deworming, and he can take two pups. I understand the circumstances with our dog jumping over which is why I'm trying to be as fair as possible so that both parties are satisfied.


With all this in mind, should I offer him 1 pup with the first pick? or split the cost of all five pups and give him 2 pups total?

Thanks for your input!

[Lara's mom]

There was no contract. As far as I can see, you have no obligation. However, in order to keep on good terms with the neighbour, I'd either offer him one puppy as long as you think he'd be a good pet parent or, pay a stud fee. In all honesty though, I don't believe you have any legal obligation. I'm curious as to what the breeders in the forum think.

[Yogi]

As a breeder I have to agree with pinsnpugs. Generally when using my stud I will either ask for monetary compensation equal to one pup or I get pick of litter.
The financial burden for boosters, de-worming, micro-chipping falls on the owner of the bitch. If both are registered, has the litter been registered? If so, then you would have needed the owner of the stud to submit online with AKC or provided the AKC registration information. This in a sense implies contractual consent.
As lara's mom noted, for the sake of keeping on good terms with the neighbor I would recommend that you make the offering noting that the pick of litter or payment to the neighbor for value of one pup is the least you can do. We do not split costs and in the end there really is no profit to be made.

[husky_penny]

We haven't registered the pups yet. When I bought Penny, the breeder showed us all the papers and the generations from both parents. He gave us a form that we filled out and turned in to get her registered. the neighbor came by to show his paperwork for the stud, so is it necessary to register the pups before we sell them? Or can i just provide the buyer with the form for them to fill out?

This is all new to me so I thought of doing the same procedure as when I first bought Penny. He told us he didn't register the pups because then there would be a co-ownership, or something of that nature. i appreciate everyones feedback.

[Yogi]

that form you received from the person you got your dog from was the AKC registration paper. Each time a litter is born you need to contact AKC with both stud and bitch registration information and number of pups in the litter. You pay the amount due and they send you a puppy registration packet. There will be one form for each number of pups in the litter. When you sell a pup, you fill out your portion and turn it over to the buyer to do the same thing you did, register the pup. You need to look at yours and see if the original was sold to you on a limited registration. If so, this means you were not ok'd by the breeder to breed the dog and AKC will not register the pups. If it is not stipulated as limited registration than you have what is called full registration and AKC will grant you ok to register the pups. This also holds true for the neighbor, was the dog sold to him on limited or full registration. If either one of the dogs was sold on limited, the litter cannot be registered.
Go to www.akc.org for more information.
If both dogs were sold will full registration, than you fill in your portion using the registration that was mailed to you by the AKC. It will have your dogs number, name etc on it. Than in the area noted for the stud, you can provide your neighbors e-mail address. They will e-mail him for his information. Once they have it and confirm it, they will issue you the packet. You can pay online at the time you request litter registration. You will need to get with the neighbor to confirm though that his dog is in fact registered and that he as well as you have dogs that were registered with full registration rights, not limited.

[husky_penny]

I know that Penny doesn't have any limitations, so she's fine. i'll have to check with our neighbors registration though. Now that i'm looking at Penny's paperwork, she was registered through Americas Pet Registry, Inc. Is this similar to the AKC registration? will this also affect the quality of these pups. Since Penny is already registered through this company, can I register the pups through the AKC site?

[Petunia]

The APRI is a horrid registry and the dogs from breeders associated with this registry are often far out of standard. (not implying anything to your dog as I’ve not seen her, nor am I a husky person, nor qualified to judge husky standards.) I could show you some laughable sites of supposed sheltie and dachshund breeders of APRI registry. Not to discount AKC’s it’s messy association with mills, but APRI is openly the largest commercial puppy mill, working closely with Petland. APRI s nothing like AKC. I’d not tangle with that mess. And I’d talk to your neighbor about getting the puppies all fixed. The point of breeding is to better the whole breed. Taking into account the health test their dogs have gone through, and what the dog bring to the table as far as standard and temperament wise. I’d contact a husky breeder, and maybe get a breeder mentor to help you out. The site below is the american nation breed club for huskys. Here you can find a breeder to talk with. They’ll always help out. Don’t be afraid to ask for their opinion.

Siberian Husky Club of America, Inc.
Learntobreed.com
(the sites elow will have a listing of registries to avoid in the future and info on the ones to trust)
Registries
About Puppy Mills

[Yogi]

Unfortunately, the only way to register a pup with AKC is if the dam and sire are registered with them. AKC does not recognize APRI.

[pinsnpugs]

IMO...in order for the pups to be registered at all, both parents must be registered with the same registry.

If the registration 'application' was never sent in and it is the puppy papers you still have on your female, you cannot register the litter until she is registered herself.

Is the male also APR? If he is a different registry the pups cannot be registered.
Personally with it being APR, I wouldnt waste my time registerong the litter and just sell them without papers on spay/neuter contracts.

Since your girl jumped the fence, you are responsible for all the vet bill sincurred for these puppies...including the puppy you may choose to give to the owner of the male.

You, in good faith, since you have to live next door to him should offer him a stud fee equal to the price of a puppy, or simply allow him to choose a puppy and take it. He can then choose to keep it or sell it himself to recooperate a stud fee.

Once pups are weaned, use the money made from the adoption fees on the puppies and have your female spayed.