[robinfire]

Just wondering to all you breeders..do we have any rights? cause everything that i have heard and read it seems not..i have been breeding for almost 6 years now /once a year and i am just now running into a few problems with a client..so i just am frustrated and want to know all the possible rights i have..
Thanks so much

[cigwyllt]

I guess a lot depends on what the problem is - is it a civil matter regarding a contract? Or a health issue? Or something genetic that has shown itself for the first time in the pup? One thing is different when you are breeding and selling dogs rather than making and selling clothes or pottery or whatever and that is that there is a living feeling animal entirely dependent on its humans to do what is best for him and if that means buying back a dog that is no longer wanted or whatever it may be your right in law to refuse but morally/ethically perhaps it is a little different.

Can you tell us a bit more about your problem?

[robinfire]

I just want to know - as a breeder what are my rights as in holding the registration papers? cause i dont think she has proper intentions with my pups and i am worried she is not really concerned about there well being..

[Lunareclipse]

Is there any way at all you can get the dogs back? I would try since she called ckc and pretended to be you. And I would call ckc and tell them that any puppies from her dogs are not to be registered if you can't get the dogs back and she breeeds them anyways.

[Yogi]

Being that both are not AKC registered ie: sire and dam you cannot register the litter with AKC. CKC I take it is the Continental Kennel Club? At this point protecting the lineage is of no consequence as it was in a sense disrupted when you used an AKC registered dog with a non AKC registered dog. At least with the AKC. Had the litter been able to be registered which it cannot, even if both were AKC since you failed to register prior to mating all you would have needed to do would be to sell the pups on limited registration. AKC would then never recognize the offspring of any litter these pups would have sired or whelped in the future.

[robinfire]

Originally Posted by Lunareclipse

Is there any way at all you can get the dogs back? I would try since she called ckc and pretended to be you. And I would call ckc and tell them that any puppies from her dogs are not to be registered if you can't get the dogs back and she breeeds them anyways.

thanks so much, i am just really upset about this whole thing. i made a huge mistake on my part and all i can do is try to fix it..i just dont want a whole mess made out of this, cause she is a bit out there and i just dont know what she could be capable of doing and anything i do , i do not want her to take it out on the dogs, and hate them..i seriously doubt i would be able to get the dogs back. i just want her to sign the new contract..i have a feeling she is not going to..and what then? dont give her the ckc papers to register the pups? i just dont want anymore drama from this girl..but i want my dogs protected and bloodline..its funny she so worries about the dog being stolen but not getting out of a fenced in yard..when they go into heat..and two that will go into heat prob together or right after each other and its just so risky..i just dont see how anyone could not be concerned with this..even her for that manner..

so since the parents are registered with ckc and the pups and all in my name..and she is not wanting to come to any agreement with a new contract - should i just hold the papers..and let ckc know the situation?

Originally Posted by Yogi

Being that both are not AKC registered ie: sire and dam you cannot register the litter with AKC. CKC I take it is the Continental Kennel Club? At this point protecting the lineage is of no consequence as it was in a sense disrupted when you used an AKC registered dog with a non AKC registered dog. At least with the AKC. Had the litter been able to be registered which it cannot, even if both were AKC since you failed to register prior to mating all you would have needed to do would be to sell the pups on limited registration. AKC would then never recognize the offspring of any litter these pups would have sired or whelped in the future.

my dogs are registered - and the litter is as well..i have the registration papers..this stuff is the least of my concern...

i am having a problem with a person who has purchased my pups..

[Lunareclipse]

Can you sue to get the dogs back due to breach of original contract? Is there any way you are willing to give her the money back for the dogs so you can get your dogs back? I seriously wouldn't leave your dogs with this person. If she is calling CKC pretending to be you then there is something seriously wrong with her and I wouldn't trust her with any dog.

[Yogi]

Originally Posted by robinfire

thanks so much, i am just really upset about this whole thing. i made a huge mistake on my part and all i can do is try to fix it..i just dont want a whole mess made out of this, cause she is a bit out there and i just dont know what she could be capable of doing and anything i do , i do not want her to take it out on the dogs, and hate them..i seriously doubt i would be able to get the dogs back. i just want her to sign the new contract..i have a feeling she is not going to..and what then? dont give her the ckc papers to register the pups? i just dont want anymore drama from this girl..but i want my dogs protected and bloodline..its funny she so worries about the dog being stolen but not getting out of a fenced in yard..when they go into heat..and two that will go into heat prob together or right after each other and its just so risky..i just dont see how anyone could not be concerned with this..even her for that manner..

so since the parents are registered with ckc and the pups and all in my name..and she is not wanting to come to any agreement with a new contract - should i just hold the papers..and let ckc know the situation?



my dogs are registered - and the litter is as well..i have the registration papers..this stuff is the least of my concern...

i am having a problem with a person who has purchased my pups..

You had stated in your op that at the time the pups were whelped you had not registered as you were not sure which registry you were going to use since the sire was AKC and the dam was not originally registered so you registered with the CKC. If that is the case then as I stated, the AKC would never allow you to register since first the both dogs are not AKC registered and secondly, even if they had been, the sire and dam would have had to both be registered prior to the mating. So if you have puppy registrations, they must be from the CKC which again I assume is the Continental Kennel Club?
As they are CKC registered and you have yet to turn the puppy registrations over to her, she is not able to register them. Even the Continental Club from what I have been told has limited and unlimited registration. They should also have online litter records that the breeder controls. By law since appears you have no actual contract perse, if you register the pups in your name first, she then would need to have to deal with you on a contract basis to get them into her name. Just one option. I would contact the CKC to find out what you can do with regards to the situation. Good Luck.