[Fergies_2012]

Hiya,

I'm new to this page , I was wondering if you could help me this is the second season my female dog has went into, (i rescued her from a forrestry in which she had been tied to a tree and chewed herself free and darted in front of my car, we think she was about two or three months when we got her), we have managed not to let my male dog near her the first time and thought we were doing the same this time when one nip to the loo and they were stuck together in a tie. This was the first occasion, there was alot of mess after this tie, is this normal?

Last week there was also a second tie with the two of them, this happens so fast we didn't beleive my little sister when she said she had only nipped to the loo the first time but for it to happen a second time at the blink of an eye this is unbleiveable, this time there was no mess, this will be the second time in the space of maybe a week and a half.

Is there a chance my female could be pregnant? How soon does this start to show?

If anyone can help, it will be much appreciated

Thanks

[CorkyMax]

I really know nothing about this subject and I am sure there will be a lot more well informed members in this forum that can give you some answers. But in mean time--I looked up past threads in here and came up with a couple that might be of some help:

My female dog was just in heat is she pregnant?

2 ties but bitch still bleeding

[Fergies_2012]

Thank you for these links, hopefully someone on here will have experianced this with there dogs and be able to help, how long does it take from the tie of the dogs together to them giving birth? do you know when they would start showing?

[cigwyllt]

If you get her to the vet right away the vet will be able to induce a miscarriage. You can google all the technical details of pregnancy etc but in all honesty as you are totally inexperienced with breeding, your dog is herself a rescue dog with no known history and shelters all over the world are overflowing with unwanted dogs and puppies the kindest thing for her would be for you to have the pregnancy terminated.

If you are unable to afford the termination then you are certainly not able to afford the costs that a responsible owner would incur with a pregnant bitch.

[Fergies_2012]

hi,

Thanks for you help but I would like to make it very clear that my dog was abandond as a very young puppy, I would never have her puppies given to a shelter as these puppies are also from my other dog, these puppies will have good homes to go to.

I am not asking for advise on whether or not I can look after my dog or afford the treatments she might need because we can, I am more intrested in the pregnancy it's self and I am asking if there is anyone who can tell me when she will start to show signs of being pregnant, my Dad has bread Border Terriers and has no question about what to do with my dog but as I decided to bring her home and look after her with my family I would like to be apart of this and to know a bit about what happens during a dogs pregnancy so I can at least help out and I am in the know. I think it will be very exciting if she is and she will do a great job

[reeskujo]

As a former responsible and ethical breeder of Akita's my suggestion is to get her to the vet for an ultrasound to see if she's pregnant..If she isn't then I would immediately have her spayed. If she is pregnant and it's only been a couple of weeks you should have her pregnancy terminated and then have her immediately spayed!!

You stated that your dad was a breeder? Then wouldn't he have been able to answer your questions? Those of us here who are/were experienced breeders do not offer our support or knowledge to those who are not..There are entirely to many dogs getting euthanized every year for inexperienced people to be adding to the over population issue..

The most responsible thing you can do is to have both of your dogs fixed to avoid any future "accidental" breedings!

[Lunareclipse]

Originally Posted by reeskujo

As a former responsible and ethical breeder of Akita's my suggestion is to get her to the vet for an ultrasound to see if she's pregnant..If she isn't then I would immediately have her spayed. If she is pregnant and it's only been a couple of weeks you should have her pregnancy terminated and then have her immediately spayed!!

You stated that your dad was a breeder? Then wouldn't he have been able to answer your questions? Those of us here who are/were experienced breeders do not offer our support or knowledge to those who are not..There are entirely to many dogs getting euthanized every year for inexperienced people to be adding to the over population issue..

The most responsible thing you can do is to have both of your dogs fixed to avoid any future "accidental" breedings!

All of this is true. If you rescued your dog, do it a favor and get it fixed so more puppies aren't born and living the same life you rescued your dog from.

[chiclet]

Originally Posted by reeskujo

Those of us here who are/were experienced breeders do not offer our support or knowledge to those who are not..There are entirely to many dogs getting euthanized every year for inexperienced people to be adding to the over population issue..

I am speechless!

[cigwyllt]

I would never have her puppies given to a shelter as these puppies are also from my other dog, these puppies will have good homes to go to.

So are you prepared to give homes to these puppies for the next 12 - 15 years? I was not suggesting that you would rehome the pups through a shelter but a responsible breeder will provide lifetime support and rehome a pup at any point in the future should the "good home" be unable to keep it for any reason.

Your dog is also physically immature - she should be at least two years old before being mated. If you allow her to have puppies it is your choice. She has no option. If you are truly putting her welfare first you will see to it that she is spayed before any possible pregnancy progresses.

[reeskujo]

Originally Posted by chiclet

I am speechless!

We will not help to contribute to the problem of backyard breeders that are partly the cause of so many dogs being euthanized everyday in this country and passing on our knowledge would do just that..An experienced,responsible and ethical breeder does not need to come to a forum to ask questions such as the one the OP asked..Furthermore when they do have questions they don't ask them on a dog forum..They have breeders who mentored them when they were first learning and they have their veterinarins to ask as well.

People who have no experience breeding should have their dogs spayed/neutered to avoid accidental breedings..If an accidental breeding does occur the owner of the female should get their dog to the vet A.S.A.P to have the pregnancy terminated if not to late and immediatley spayed.You can't and shouldn't expect to go to forum and count on the members telling you whether or not it's possible that your dog is pregnant..The only way to know for sure is to take the dog to the vet..Pregnant bitches and the pups that follow require special care and if someone needs to come here to ask about the possibility the dog is pregnant then they obviously don't have the knowledge or experience to take care of the bitch or her pups!!

You can not learn all there is to know about breeding asking questions on a dog forum..It takes years of mentoring with an experienced breeder and hands on experience with those mentores..It's much,much more then putting two dogs together and having puppies!!
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[Lunareclipse]

Originally Posted by chiclet

I am speechless!

Go to a shelter on a day they euthanize a whole litter of puppies because there aren't enough people to adopt them. Would you be just as speechless then?

[Fergies_2012]

Quote:
Originally Posted by reeskujo
Those of us here who are/were experienced breeders do not offer our support or knowledge to those who are not..There are entirely to many dogs getting euthanized every year for inexperienced people to be adding to the over population issue..


I am speechless!



Regarding the above ^


Thank to those of you above who have actually helped by answering my questions, but to everyone else you have been no help at all, of course I understand that you cannot help me over a forum in regards to my dog being pregnant or giving birth, the question I asked was how long before she shows. You have then chose to comment on the fact that puppies that are in homes and can’t get homes get put down, I understand this is awful but at no point have I said that my dog’s puppies (if there are any) will be given to a home if not re-homed. I think you are forgetting that someone tied my dog as a puppy to a tree and left her to starve so I am far from the person that would let other little dogs have a terrible life.

Yes my Dad was a dog breeder but as he has done this before he is very hands on with the dog around the house and will be if she is pregnant, I wanted to know some information so I could be apart of this and at least look calm, I was asking for information from yourselves who as you have confirmed are ‘experienced breeders’ not to get bombarded with comments about the fact these ‘puppies’ won’t have homes to go to and that my dog is to young, what age is my dog again???

There might not actually be any puppies at all, we do not yet know, yes I will take my dog to the vet but as you will also all know it is far to early for a vet to tell if my dog is pregnant.

Again, thanks to everyone that answered my question and to everyone else this is a forum for dog information and asking questions and that is what I have done  x

[cigwyllt]

When will she begin to show? Just as with humans all dogs are different. I had a pup from a very experienced breeder who had no idea her bitch was pregnant until she walked into the kitchen and saw the pup on the mat! The ONLY way to know for certain whether or not she is pregnant is to take her to the vet.

If you want to learn the facts about canine pregnancy there are plenty of sites online where you can read about it from conception through to delivery, weaning and beyond. But the best way to learn is from someone who has done it and can be with you step by step. You have that in your father so I am at a loss to understand why you are asking us.

You seem to be missing the point that your dog is too young to give birth. As an experienced breeder your father should be aware of that. I repeat my earlier point - if your dog's welfare is your first concern then follow the advice you have been given and have her spayed.

As has been said on this forum before, our chief concern is the welfare of the dog. If the person who posts is unhappy with the advice given that is unfortunate but the advice is given with the dog's best interests at heart.

[Fergies_2012]

Hi, Thanks for your reply

I appreciate the fact that my dogs health needs to and does most definatley come sfirst but things happen with pregnancy's as what they do with human pregnancy's. I feel to then put my dog through a miscarraidge would be worse as she will look for her babies. As i have been told, dogs have been having puppies by them selves for a very very long time without any help so i'm sure Fern will do a great job is she is pregnant. I can assure you that once/if the puppies are here she will then be take to the vet so she's can't have any more.

Thank you for your reply x

[cigwyllt]

The risk involveds in having the pregnancy terminated now are far less than those of putting an immature dog through pregnancy. If she is spayed now she will not be searching for the puppies. She is a dog, not a woman. She does not know she is pregnant. Please at least talk to your vet.

[Fergies_2012]

Hi,

I don;t understand where everyone is getting that she is a puppy, she is not a puppy, she has had two seasons already and acording to the vet i have just spoken with she is able to carry pups as they can do from the second season onwards. I found her last year as a two month old puppy.

I understand that she is not a woman and is a dog but you are very wrong when youhave said that she does not know she is pregnant, animals can detect pregnancy alot quicker than humans and they are very aware of when this is happening to them and deal with it there selves as they would have in the wild, it is instinct.

thanks

[reeskujo]

Is she 2 yr.s old or older? If not she's to young..You have no idea about her background or the health of her parents so there's always the possibility she could pass on a genetic health problems to her pups..Do you know what breed she is? Pregnant dogs need to have routine visits to the vet and if the dog she mated with is larger then her then her pups may be to big for her to deliver..In which case I hope you have at least 2 grand put away incase she needs an emergency c-section..Do you have any idea what she needs to be eating during her pregnancy? Do you know how many days a dog is pregnant before she has her pups? Do you have the money for all of the pups to go to the vet for their first set of shots and to be de-wormed before you give them to new owners? Did you know that if a bitch is to young when she has her first litter there's the possibility she may kill them..Do you know what she needs to eat and what supplements she needs while nursing? These are just the minimum basics you need to know and if you can't answer yes to all of these questions your putting your dog in harms way and if she is pregnant her pregnancy needs to be terminated.

[Lunareclipse]

Why didn't you get her fixed shortly after you got her? That is what a responsible dog owner would do when rescuing a dog from a bad situation.

There is still time to terminate the pregnancy and have your dog spayed. Your dog will not be looking for her puppies if none is born. 2/3 of all puppies bred end up in shelters. Over half of those get euthanized. Unless you plan on contacting the people you give your puppies to on a monthly basis, how can you guarantee that none of them won't end up in a shelter or given to someone else and tied to a tree and starved half to death?

[Lara's mom]

Please read the bit at the end of ciggy's post about the "miracle of birth." Then, check the stats on how many dogs are euthanized because there are simply not enough homes to go around. Once you've done this, ask yourself if the more humane thing to do would not be to abort the pups and have the dog spayed...

[Fergies_2012]

I'm sorry, you are speak like you know my dog????? do you???? no, seems to me like alot of people on here think that they are Ceasar Millan when really you own a dog like the rest of us, advise about dogs is what people ask for on here but it seems to me and a few of the other people on here that you just seem to get hassell and treated like you have been a bad owner.

I have three lovley loved and very well looked after dogs, my oldest is an ex runner and i beleive that me and my family take very good care of them. The reason Fern was not sprayed when i found her was because the week we got her my parents went holiday and then came back to her being in heat.

The way i see it is if you haven;t got anything helpful and nice to say to the people on this forumthen please don't bother commenting below our questions, cannot be bothered with it- rant over.

Thanks