how can i discuise the bitch smell

oes forever · 08-20-2009

i have 2 males, an old english sheepdog and a staffy cross, both neutered. and i also have a pomeranian bitch... who is in season.
she is driving my dogs crazy, in the past they have pretty much ignored her but now shes jumping up at them, nipping them and then standing for them.
a funny sight maybe. but if one of them has a go....
is there anything i can to stop the smell shes giving off, shes not even started bleeding yet. i cant seperate them because the way the house is layed out.
oh please someobody help me. i have another 2 weeks of this.
shes nothing but a tart! and my boys just cant help themselves but if they have a go they are going to break her back never mind anything else!

pinsnpugs · 08-21-2009

Need to go post this on one of the show lists. They had mentioned a pill that you can give during cycles that eliminates the scent from a heat cycle.
Will ask and let you know.

oes forever · 08-21-2009

hopefully getting her spayed before next time! i am not going through this again

Lunareclipse · 08-21-2009

spaying is great option. Look into that.

UnderDog · 08-21-2009

There is no way to disguise the smell and you MUST separate them. The male dogs can still tie and if they do they can cause horrendous damage and possibly even death.

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Originally Posted by oes forever

hopefully getting her spayed before next time! i am not going through this again

How old is she?

Lara's mom · 08-21-2009

I had no idea that dogs mating could hurt the female. I'm so glad both of my girls are spayed. About that pill, I'd be reluctant to use it. Heaven only knows what it contains. I think UnderDog has the best idea. Keep them apart, put up with the smell and then get her spayed once this heat is over.

oes forever · 08-21-2009

it wouldnt be too bad if she wasnt lap dancing for them! its her thats the problem. most of the time somebody is home so they keep an eye on them.
she is only a really tiny dog.
i am groomer and i am now getting dogs in humping thin air!
i have never had a bitch before and never will again. she was bought to show so shes not ment to be spayed but sod that.
i just wondered is there was a spray or somthing that stoped her sending males crazy.

UnderDog · 08-21-2009

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Originally Posted by oes forever

it wouldnt be too bad if she wasnt lap dancing for them! its her thats the problem. most of the time somebody is home so they keep an eye on them.
she is only a really tiny dog.
i am groomer and i am now getting dogs in humping thin air!
i have never had a bitch before and never will again. she was bought to show so shes not ment to be spayed but sod that.
i just wondered is there was a spray or somthing that stoped her sending males crazy.

"Most of the time" is no good, unless you can give her 24/7 supervision and react quick enough to break them up if they try, inc. at night, then she needs to be separated from the males, end of. I don't bother encourage people we re-home to Not to spay small dogs unless there is a problem or we know there is a history of cancer due to the risks of it, but that's mainly opinion. Again, how old is she? Please look at all of the cons/pros of neutering before you go ahead! Unlike what some say, anesthetic isn't the only risk in it. Good luck, and get them split up NOW.

UnderDog · 08-21-2009

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Originally Posted by Lara's mom

I had no idea that dogs mating could hurt the female. I'm so glad both of my girls are spayed. About that pill, I'd be reluctant to use it. Heaven only knows what it contains. I think UnderDog has the best idea. Keep them apart, put up with the smell and then get her spayed once this heat is over.

It's not common for planned breeding to cause problems because obviously they are supervised (the dogs aren't aloud to pull away once tied and so on), they are bred when the female is deemed ready and the dogs gland swells to a suitable size, whereas in neutered dogs that isn't always the case and can cause quite a few injuries to the bitch if he swells too much.

Lara's mom · 08-21-2009

O.k...I don't "get it." How exactly does this happen? I spent the first few years of my life on a farm but, when the dogs "did their thing", they chose a private place.

oes forever · 08-21-2009

ok stop barking at me! i came here for help.
there are 4 of us in my family so someone is with her most of the time but when were not shes in my daughters room.
i came asking for advise of any products to use.
i have now been on the internet looking and found that you can use Chlorophyll.
now can anybody tell me anything about this. is it safe, how soon would i have to use it and any idea where i may find it in the uk. it was known as 'no mate'

i really dont think penetration is the issus as she is so small, one yelp and believe me my boys would go running off. well before anything would happen. but i know this is beside the point. i am as concerened of them grabbing her then i am about penetration. she really is tiny
she is 4 years old and was used for breeding and showing but she wouldnt look after her pups, hense the breeder selling her with restrictions to breeding on her paper. though recently i had a message passed on to me that she would lift the restrictions but she would have all but one puppy. short of wanting to throttle her i have not been in touch due to the fact its my 10 year old daughters dog and she is just starting out showing. and the fact the breeder has been showing and judging for 25 years there is a good chance she could spoil many future shows for her. so i have to keep my mouth shut. the pups could of easily lived if she had bothered to feed them herself. but thats beside the point we have no intentions on breeding her anyway.

for showing purposes you are not ment to spay or neuter a dog because it ment to be the breed line. but i really dont think they will notice.
we have only recently had her so we missed spaying her as it is done inbetween seasons.

so what are the cons of having her spayed????

Yogi · 08-21-2009

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Originally Posted by Lara's mom

I had no idea that dogs mating could hurt the female. I'm so glad both of my girls are spayed. About that pill, I'd be reluctant to use it. Heaven only knows what it contains. I think UnderDog has the best idea. Keep them apart, put up with the smell and then get her spayed once this heat is over.

The problem here is also you have 2 large dogs and a toy breed dog in season. Damage can easily be caused if one of those larger dogs attempted to mate with her.

Lara's mom · 08-22-2009

Right. Now that I've seen the pictures of the two males, I can see how it would be a problem!

Lunareclipse · 08-22-2009

I thought dogs could be spayed or neutered for junior class shows...

pinsnpugs · 08-22-2009

Dogs can be altered IF being used only for Junior showmanship. If she is showing in breed conformation, they are not to be altered. Conformation is to judge the dogs quality as a breeding stock animal, altering would defeat the purpose. Also showing is expensive, so why spend that kind of money to show a dog who will never be able to pass along its traits even if it were to finish?

Ok, while obviously, seperating them is the obvious answer, I was simply answering the specific question she was asking.
Even when seperated sompletely the male can still smell the female and will attempt to get to her. Even if he cannot, the whining, barking, and crying can drive you nuts, lol.

The pill, as I do believe it was the Chlorophyll, btw. Was not suggested as the only answer, but it is used by show people in when they have a female in season that is not going to be bred (you obviously WANT the scent if you plan to use a stud on her) and is entered in shows. It is quite a sight to have a girl in season on the crowded show grounds with males all around. Tends to make the males act up, etc......so they use the pill to eliminate/decrease the scent in order to keep the peace when showing.

It is safe to use, show people would not use anything that would harm or alter the females future in conceiving.

If the OP purchased this dog for show, it is also very likely she has a contract with the breeder than includes she not be spayed for obvious reasons. So suggesting that option would not be feasible.

UnderDog · 08-22-2009

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Originally Posted by Lara's mom

O.k...I don't "get it." How exactly does this happen? I spent the first few years of my life on a farm but, when the dogs "did their thing", they chose a private place.

Besides the obvious size difference in the males to the females, it basically the same routine as purpose breeding, but the male is more likely to pull away once he has "done the deed", causing much pain and damage to the female.

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Originally Posted by oes forever

ok stop barking at me! i came here for help.
there are 4 of us in my family so someone is with her most of the time but when were not shes in my daughters room.
i came asking for advise of any products to use.
i have now been on the internet looking and found that you can use Chlorophyll.
now can anybody tell me anything about this. is it safe, how soon would i have to use it and any idea where i may find it in the uk. it was known as 'no mate'

i really dont think penetration is the issus as she is so small, one yelp and believe me my boys would go running off. well before anything would happen. but i know this is beside the point. i am as concerened of them grabbing her then i am about penetration. she really is tiny
she is 4 years old and was used for breeding and showing but she wouldnt look after her pups, hense the breeder selling her with restrictions to breeding on her paper. though recently i had a message passed on to me that she would lift the restrictions but she would have all but one puppy. short of wanting to throttle her i have not been in touch due to the fact its my 10 year old daughters dog and she is just starting out showing. and the fact the breeder has been showing and judging for 25 years there is a good chance she could spoil many future shows for her. so i have to keep my mouth shut. the pups could of easily lived if she had bothered to feed them herself. but thats beside the point we have no intentions on breeding her anyway.
for showing purposes you are not ment to spay or neuter a dog because it ment to be the breed line. but i really dont think they will notice.
we have only recently had her so we missed spaying her as it is done inbetween seasons.
so what are the cons of having her spayed????

I'm not barking, purely saying it how it is, I can't stand it when people don't educate themselves on keeping entire dogs before they choose to get one. It is a whole world apart from a neutered dog/bitch. As she is so small compared to your other two, it is even more of a reason to separate, be wary of fights breaking out between your two males also (And don't think they will have just one fight and it be over, they hold grudges, we have dogs here that are neutered and they still fight over "their" neutered bitches, after one fight they can't go back together and if they do they are literally in for the kill). If you are showing her in breed class and you neuter her then there is absolutely no point showing her, as has been mentioned though she can be neutered for junior showmanship/handler class. Check out the thread by Stu C further down the page in this section, there is a few posts on neutering pro's/con's in there.

UnderDog · 08-22-2009

Oh and it's also worth noting, Chlorophyll was developed to use on a show day, so should only be used a maximum of 3 times a week. It has also been known to cause UTI's.