[Lunareclipse]

My older dog has hip dysplasia and the vet has her on 1500mg of glucosamine a day. They come in the form of these really horrible chews. Sammie eats them sometimes, and sometimes she doesn't. And sometimes they make her sick. They also have a really dark dye in them and stain her coat when she drools. I was told that human glucosamine is even better for her and I won't get these side effects. Anyone have any info they would like to share?

[Lara's mom]

Bailey gets two glucosamine sulfate capsules every day - 500 mg each. They don't upset her tummy at all.

[CorkyMax]

Originally Posted by Lunareclipse

My older dog has hip dysplasia and the vet has her on 1500mg of glucosamine a day. They come in the form of these really horrible chews. Sammie eats them sometimes, and sometimes she doesn't. And sometimes they make her sick. They also have a really dark dye in them and stain her coat when she drools. I was told that human glucosamine is even better for her and I won't get these side effects. Anyone have any info they would like to share?

[B][COLOR="Green"]Can you list what else is in these chews? There are other supplements that should be given too!! I just recently researched 'stuff' because My dog was limping and acting like it was arthritis so I copied things from the net. I am using human grade glucosamine chondroitin and msm. Maybe Sammie is allergic to shellfish (think that is in the chondroitin). I would not use the inferior Glucosamine 2KCL! HCL or sulfate is what you want. Am going to paste a web address or 2 here for you to check out.-------->

Glucosamine for Dogs

Arthritis

Dogs: dog joint health pills, anti inflammatory drugs, weekend athlete

Dogs: dog joint health pills, glucosamine chondroitin, mg chondroitin



I hope you never give your dogs Rimadyl!! Do you know about this 'killer' of dogs!!?? If not---Look up the info in this forum on it---Click on the word Search at top of page in the blue strip across the page. Put Rimadyl in the search field--try posts 1st and then threads.

[Lunareclipse]

The vet gave me PhyCox. I don't understand most of what is on the label.

[Lara's mom]

Well, why don't you try the human grade glucosamine sulfate? Give her three 500 mg capsules a day and see if she tolerates it better. Thankfully, it isn't an expensive supplement. 300 capsules of 500 mg costs roughly $15 CDN. I don't know how much that translates into in American money except that it's less. BTW, Greenies Pill Pockets are a great way to get pills down the gullet of a "reluctant" patient.

[UnderDog]

3 500mg human Glucosamine tablets with a teaspoon of pro-biotic yoghurt on top, sorted. No stinky breath, dirty teeth etc that is associated with the chews and the dog is always likely to eat them.

[CorkyMax]

Originally Posted by Lunareclipse

The vet gave me PhyCox. I don't understand most of what is on the label.

Was mainly wondering what kind of glucosamine it is. There are 3 types:
1. sulfate
2. HCL-----You need chondroitin to make this work the best!
3. 2KCL---This is an inferior type--You don't want this!

I don't know if you saw the web site listings I gave you in my 1st post above as I added them after I went and looked them up. Please read them carefully as a lot of info there. Am going back in them and going to paste here (next post) some of the most important parts of the info. One site 'says' not to use enteric coated aspirin, which can be dangerous for dogs and another says it is okay! I would not give at all and then you would not have to worry about it! I am going to print here the paragraph that says not to use it:
Before starting Piglet on Metacam (?), we used Willow Bark instead of Aspirin for occasional pain relief when she overdoes it, as it is easier on the stomach. However, it should still always be given with a meal. You can also use buffered aspirin such as Aseviptin or Vetrin (which comes in smaller doses), again always with food.Do not combine Aspirin with Willow Bark or any NSAID, such as Rimadyl (Me talking here--NEVER USE RIMADYL at all--DOG KILLER!!) or Etogesic. (Me again-I don't know what this is or the dangers of it--so best to research it, and any other thing you come across for that matter before giving to your 'baby') Also do not use enteric coated aspirin, which can be dangerous for dogs. end of quote.

Will be going after the important parts now--Bear with me as it may take a little time to get it all----so will be adding as I find. Even though I am going to copy some of the important parts--Please still go back in all the above mentioned sites and read it all in the entirety!

[UnderDog]

PhyCox contains HCL, not Sulphate, and contains no Chondroitin.

[CorkyMax]

Proven Effects of Glucosamine in Dogs

Just as in humans, Glucosamine has shown great effect for your dog's joint health. More importantly, as a natural dietary supplement, it also rehabilitates and soothes your dog's joints. Glucosamine is a preventive measure that will ensure your beloved friend will have maximum joint health. You will begin to notice the results in your pet within one to two weeks. You’ll find your dog more lively, active and animated. For some animals, the results are simply amazing.

Glucosamine is already found in the cartilage and synovial fluid, already in your joints. It is a normal constituent of your dog’s glycosaminoglycans, which form part of the ground substance of connective tissue. Several recent studies have shown that swallowed Glucosamine is absorbed and distributed to joint tissues, and that it does have anti-inflammatory and joint regenerating properties. This can be beneficial in osteoarthritic type conditions, such as hip dysplasia or osteoarthritis in dogs.

What Glucosamine Product is Best to Use for My Dog?

When your pet's pain relief and health is at stake, you need to be careful about the competing products and the marketing hype. There are six factors that you need to take into account before purchasing any Glucosamine product for your dog. These are:

Type of Glucosamine (sulfate, HCL, or 2KCL)
Quality of the ingredients (superior quality, produced in a GMP certified facility)
Method of delivery (liquid or pills?)
Amount of Glucosamine needed per day
The additional ingredients besides glucosamine
Daily Cost
The amount of glucosamine you will want to give your animal will depend on the condition your dog is in. It’s important to compare price per day and not price per product, as many companies try to fool you by providing 60 capsules or 32 oz. without telling you that you must use 6 capsules or 2 oz. per day. Hence be careful to always compare price per day! A good rule of thumb is to look for 750mg of Glucosamine HCl and Glucosamine Sulfate per 50 pounds of weight. Glucosamine 2KCL is a lower quality, less potent form of Glucosamine which generally is found in grocery stores or major low cost discount stores. Stay away from the 2KCL and NaCl forms of Glucosamine as they are a flat out rip off.

Keep in mind the benefits of a liquid Glucosamine. Many dogs are reluctant to having pills thrown down their throat. If the pill is mixed with the food, it could be chewed and lost in the teeth. A liquid form on the other hand, can be poured directly over the food for a guaranteed acceptance by the dog. Glucosamine has a pleasant taste for most all dogs. Most simply think it's a treat.

**Many vets recommend doubling the dosage of Glucosamine for dogs the first 2-3 weeks to engage a more rapid healing process. This is fine and may be very beneficial.**

Glucosamine in the right form and quality, combined with other synergistic ingredients, not only eases your pet's pain quickly, but promotes maximum joint health for your animal. Past research on animals has shown administered as appropriate ingredient mix, Glucosamine will ease your pet's joint pain in about ten to fifteen days. In severe cases, it may take as long as thirty days, but remember, this is without the dangerous side effects of NSAIDs and COX-II inhibitors and will be lasting relief. Don't let your animal take harmful drugs any longer. Try glucosamine for your animal today.

Visit the Glucosamine Product Guide
A review of the leading commercial products available today. Each product is evaluated by type, method of delivery, quality, any additional ingredients and price.

[CorkyMax]

The Glucosamine Product Guide
Glucosamine has been shown in clinical trials for decades to be effective at easing the joint discomfort and largely increasing flexibility. Some studies even indicate that glucosamine may help rebuild cartilage - something traditional NSAID pain relievers are unable to do. Indeed, the research is there, scores and scores of placebo controlled double blind studies report these same facts over and over.

Because so few manufacturers actually line their products up against the competition, here is a list of popular commercially available products out there to review. For each product, the following items are evaluated: (Read below for a full product review).


Glucosamine Dosage Amount: 1,500 mg is a standard dosage.
Price (Per Dose): Should be between $.85 and $1.20 a dose
Price (Per Month): Should be between $30 and $50 a month
Dosage Amount Supplied: Should last a full month or more
Glucosamine Form: Ideally contain both HCL and Sulfate
Ingredient Quality: Should be Superior Quality
Physical Form: Should be Liquid
Synergistic Factors: As long as cost is reasonable, should contain as many as possible
Shipping Cost: Ideally it should be free or under $3.50

As many of you have heard, there have been problems with several nutraceutical (dietary supplement) manufactures out there, for some of the less honest ones have been selling products that simply do not contain what they claim to contain. Many others use tricks like giving you 60 pills and then requiring you to take 4 a day, so you really think you are getting a 60 day supply when in reality you are only getting a 15 day supply. Many places wait to charge you shipping until after you have spent several minutes typing in all of your ordering information, thinking what is another 5 or 6 bucks once you have gotten that far. Fortunately there are good, honest companies out there. You just have to take the time to review the hundreds of generic and brand name glucosamine products out there. We have done the work for you and scientifically reviewed some of the more popular products below.

Rarely do products give you the cost per dose, instead relying on the above “smoke and mirrors” to give you a cheap overall price. These products typically require you to reorder twice as much, or they give you the much less effective KCl or the NaCl forms of glucosamine (only shown when you examine the ingredient list). As much as 30% or more of what you are buying is ordinary table salt, and more than likely less than effective glucosamine. Do not be fooled by these tricks! Demand that each product supply you with basic information such as the dosage, synergistic factors, the true monthly price and ingredient quality.

The Powerful Benefits of Liquids

Liquids, aside from offering the obvious benefit of being easy to swallow, have another very important trait. Unlike pills, liquid starts to be absorbed as soon as it enters the stomach. It is not uncommon to have capsules pass right through the body in a way that the product name is still visible after the pill has left the body completely. This does not happen with liquids, as they are absorbed almost 100% and are not wasted.

Pills and capsules may cost less, but in reality you get far less absorption for your money. No wonder they cost less! Liquids are fast - you do not even have to wait for them to dissolve. They start working as soon as you swallow and many have fairly pleasant flavors. Liquids are especially easy to administer to pets - simply pour over their food.

Stores like to stock pills because they have a long shelf life (although liquid glucosamine is stable for years), are easier to handle and can sometimes cost a little less because they have cheap fillers and binding agents. People are used to drugs being in pill form, so it makes sense to them. Unfortunately, many vitamins and minerals in pill form contain lab-created artificial chemicals or drugs that are easily bound with fillers and buffers. No wonder they can be so hard to absorb! Pills in some cases do give you some of the active ingredients, so people buy them - but when it comes to glucosamine, you know better than they do. Why go to all of the trouble to buy a product that will only give you half (or less) of the relief you deserve? Let's take a look at some of the leading brands.



You will have to go back and see the rest of this---the leading brands,etc!--too much to copy here.

[CorkyMax]

Disclaimer: I want to preface this webpage by stating that I am not a vet, nor do I have any formal training in nutrition or other medical fields. The information I am presenting here has been gleaned from books, from the internet, and from the knowledge and experience of others. It is not meant to replace your vet's advice or any medications they may prescribe, but hopefully will suggest additional options to think about, and other information to explore, based on your dog's condition. I welcome any feedback, or any additional information you may want to share that can be added to this website.

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WHERE TO START
The number of things you can try to help your dog with arthritis can seem overwhelming, so I'm going to suggest some ways to get started.
1. GLUCOSAMINE First and foremost, I believe all dogs with arthritis or known joint problems should be on some sort of glucosamine-type therapy. This should include oral supplements that contain glucosamine (sulfate or hcl), chondroitin sulfate, green lipped mussel (perna canaliculus), hyaluronic acid, or a combination of these. It may also include the injectible form, Adequan or Cartrophen. Since these supplements are the only things that actually help protect the joints rather than just treating the symptoms, they are a must for all dogs with joint problems. Different dogs respond differently to different supplements, so find one that works for your dog rather than relying on what has worked for others, though that may be a good place to start. Give high doses at first, so you will be able to tell if it is working. If you get results, you can try reducing the dosage to see if your dog will do well on less. If you don't get results, try a different brand. See the section below on Glucosamine and other GAGs for more information.

2. DIET If possible, reduce the amount of grains and starchy carbohydrates in the diet and increase the amount of protein. This can be done by feeding a better quality food, by using canned instead of dry foods, by adding fresh foods such as eggs and meat to the diet, or by feeding a home made diet. Many arthritic dogs improve greatly when grains are removed from the diet. One of the best things you can do for a dog with arthritis is to keep him lean. If your dog is overweight, start him on a weight loss program right away -- note that traditional high-carbohydrate weight loss products are not recommended. See Pudgy Pups for some guidelines on helping your dog to lose weight. Also see the section below on Diet for dogs with arthritis for more information, and the section on Senior and overweight dogs on my Dog Feeding page.

3. FISH OIL If I was going to suggest any single nutritional supplement for dogs with arthritis, it would be fish oil (fish body oil, such as Salmon Oil or EPA oil, not cod liver oil). Fish oil provides omega-3 fatty acids that help reduce inflammation. They are beneficial no matter what type of diet you feed. Note that omega-3 fatty acids are fragile and break down quickly when exposed to light, heat or air, so just feeding a food that has omega-3 fatty acids added is not usually helpful. Give as much as 1000 mg fish oil (300 mg EPA/DHA) per 10 lbs of body weight daily. Because fish oil depletes vitamin E in the body, you should also give vitamin E supplements whenever you supplement with oils of any kind. Give around 100 IUs to a small dog, 200 IUs to a medium sized dog, up to 400 IUs for a large dog, anywhere from daily to once or twice a week.

4. PAIN RELIEF If your dog is in pain, look for ways to relieve it naturally before turning to NSAIDs. DLPA is the first thing I would try, it made a definite difference for my dog and is very safe to use. For worse pain, consider using Tramadol, a synthetic narcotic that can also be used in conjunction with NSAIDs. I would also be trying a variety of natural anti-inflammatories, to see if any of them seem to make a difference. I'm always trying something new with my Piglet. If one supplement doesn't seem to help, I simply move on to another one when I run out. Anything that does seem to help I continue using. See the section on Chronic Pain Relief below for more information on drugs used to help dogs with arthritis pain.

5. ALTERNATIVE THERAPIES Many people have reported success using acupuncture for arthritis. Unfortunately, I am not one of them, and at least in my area, acupuncture is very expensive (over $100 per visit), so it's not the first thing I would recommend trying unless you have access to it at a more reasonable rate. If your dog does respond to acupuncture, you can also consider gold bead implants, which are a form of permanent acupuncture. Chiropractic can also be helpful in many cases, although again, I have not had success with it myself. I do not recommend VOM (veterinary orthopedic manipulation), a form of chiropractic that makes unrealistic claims and in our case had no benefit at all, but other forms may be very helpful for many dogs. I am not a believer in homeopathy, but some people have reported success using homeopathic remedies for arthritis pain, including Zeel and Traumeel.

Be sure to go back on this site---A lot there! Make sure to see (towards the bottom) Titles CHRONIC PAIN RELIEF and MEDICATIONS And please research all medications and supplements before trying them! Again stay away from Rimadyl--and Prednisone if you can!!!

[CorkyMax]

When giving glucosamine and chondroitin for arthritis, start out at high doses: at least 500 mg glucosamine plus 400 mg chondroitin for a small dog, 1000/800 for a medium-sized dog, and 1500/1200 for a large dog daily (up to double that amount to start with). If you see improvement, you can try backing off to a smaller dosage. Some dogs do well on less, some need the higher amount to get relief. If you don't see any improvement in four weeks, try a different brand. Different dogs seem to do better with different brands. Glucosamine/chondroitin can be given with food, but may be more effective if given at least one hour before or two hours after feeding.

There are many arguments about which form of Glucosamine is best. I have yet to see anything I find convincing, as most of the arguments are made by commercial companies in support of their own products. However, if giving Glucosamine HCl, it should always be combined with Chondroitin Sulfate for better uptake, whereas Glucosamine Sulfate can be given alone. It is best if supplements also include Manganese, which can help increase absorption.


I don't know why I haven't found the info on MSM yet but hope you will put it in your browser! (MSM/arthritis/dogs

Just found this on MSM: MSM is a supplement that helps the Glucosamine work more efficiently. It is supposed to reduce the pain associated with arthritis, muscle soreness and also muscle cramping. Both MSM and Vitamin C support the normal growth, maintenance and repair of virtually all the different connective tissues in the body.

The Joint Care Plus product seems to be complete, and it has the perfect dose. Follow the directions, you may need to give your dog more than one pill per day to achieve the dose.

Cosequin DS is another product with has 500 mg Glucosamine and 400 mg Chondroitin, but it does not contain MSM. If cost is not a factor, I would go with the Joint Care Plus formula for the added MSM.

It is possible that your dog may develop diarrhea when
given glucosamine/chondroitin products, so keep an eye out for that side effect. In general these are pretty
safe products, though.

[CorkyMax]

dog joint health pills

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Expert: Patti - 8/26/2005

Question
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Followup To
Question -
My lab is getting old and stiff. my vet doesn't know which type of (not dog pain killers/anti-inflamitory; but the vitimin type) pills to recommend because their are so many. Do you have any suggestions? (ex. Pawws, K9 maxx, Cosequin)
Thank you for your time.
Marcus

Answer -
Hi Marcus,

First, it really does help to know for sure if your dog's problem is arthritis from wear and tear or a condition such as hip dysphasia. Hopefully, your vet has been able to make a diagnosis.

If your vet has diagnosed your dog with osteoarthritis, there is a safe and effective new drug called Adequan which is very similar to the more familiar oral supplement known as Glucosamine. Adequan soothes and lubricates the joint, naturally reducing inflammation and pain by reducing friction. Even better, instead of just masking pain as NSAIDs (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs) do, it actually helps to rebuild cartilage in the damaged joint. It's not just pain control, it's therapy.

Weight control is the single best thing you can do for a dog with arthritis. The more weight on those poor old joints, the harder it is to move around. You should be able to easily locate each of your dog's ribs when you feel for them. Any "light" diet is helpful.

Carefully managed exercise levels can have huge benefits for dogs suffering from joint disease. Provide limited, gentle exercise. Once around the block two or three times a day is about right. Avoid making your dog a "weekend athlete", exercise needs to be a daily event . Modify or skip activity in extreme weather, such as cold, rain, humidity, or heat.

Dogs are just like people --- they respond well to warming a sore joint in many cases, they are comforted by touch, and they do better if they know that someone cares about them.

Massage can increase flexibility, circulation, calmness and a general sense of wellness. You can do it yourself, or find a professional animal massage therapist to provide your pet a more thorough treatment.
Here is a web site that tells you how to give your dog a massage: http://www.allaboutdogcare.com/massage.html

Buffered aspirin or enteric coated aspirin (Use 5 grain-325 mg aspirin tablets) as a good a first choice in pain relief, they are inexpensive, readily available and relatively safe. The usual dosage is 10mg/lb of body weight twice a day, for dogs. For chronic arthritis pain, there are much better drugs, but aspirin is perfectly ok for occasional aches and pains.

It's worth trying a Glucosamine and Chondroitin supplement in conjunction with the aspirin use, at a dosage of one tablet of the 500mg glucosamine/400mg chondroitin tablets per 25 lbs. of body weight, if the cost is not a major factor.

Glucosamine combined with Chondroitin are said to help degenerative joint diseases. The theory is that by taking these compounds orally, one's body can address cartilage breakdown with the ability to rebuild. It's also been suggested that glucosamine may have anti-inflammatory properties of its own and/or may act by stimulating the synthesis of joint lubricants and collagen within the damaged joint.

Glucosamine and Chondroitin supplements are without scientific proof of efficacy. There are many reports of these medications helping numerous individuals and animals, but you should keep in mind that theories surrounding these products are still unproven.

After using a Glucosamine supplement daily for six weeks, you can try to wean your dog off of painkillers slowly. If after that you notice that your dog seems to be in pain, by all means go back to using the pain killers. After a couple of months, if you can see no improvement in your dog then have your vet re-evaluate the management of your pets condition.

Of course there are risks in any medication, but if "natural" supplements aren't working, you need to make some educated decisions with your vet's help, and use a medication with the least risks which will keep your dog pain free.

Glucosamine and Chondroitin suppelments can be purchased in health food stores, at veterinary clinics, and in pet supply catalogs.

Not all Glucosamine and Chondroitin products are created equal, however. The difference in various products lies in the dosing, carriers, vitamins, minerals, and purity of the ingredients. Products that contain human grade Glucosamine and Chondroitin are much more likely to be of high quality and in a purer form. In addition to ingredients, the concentration of actual Glucosamine and Chondroitin vary from product to product.

It is perfectly safe for your dog to get human grade Glucosamine. Products designed for dogs often have ascorbic acid or manganese to help aid in the uptake of Glucosamine in the canine. Canine products may be flavored or fortified with other minerals.

The most expensive product is not always the best. Compare the ingredients between products to ensure that you are getting what you pay for. Some of the most popular products for dogs include Cosequin made by Nutramax, Drs. Foster and Smith's Joint Care,and Glycoflex.

Glucosamine hydrochloride (HCl) and Glucosamine sulfate both work equally well in dogs. The sulfate form was originally used in Europe. The HCl form has recently become more popular because it is purer and provides more available glucosamine per unit weight and contains much less residual ash. Liquid formulations offer a higher absorption rate, compared to pills, assuming you can get a liquid into your dog.

I should mention that almost all "natural" supplements have to be given for at least a month before you may see any improvement in your dog's health. If you stop giving the supplements, the cartilage degeneration will reoccur about four to six months after the product is discontinued.

It is for this reason that you should also use some kind of anti-inflammatory pain relief medication in conjunction with a wholistic supplement. There's no reason for your dog to suffer for any period of time.

Vitamin E is reported to have moderate anti-inflammatory properties and it does seem to help some dogs. Use 2000 IU/day/dog for dogs over 50 lbs. It is a good idea to take a week or two to build up to this dose, though.

[CorkyMax]

Some other things you can do to ease your dog's pain are:

Acupuncture is another option that appears to help some dogs.

Your dog's bed should be as comfortable as your own. Orthopedic beds are of great benefit to pets that develop joint problems. Heated beds are also a great benefit.

Build or buy steps and ramps (with non-skid treads) to help your dog deal with stairs and getting into vehicles.

Place water bowls at several convenient locations so that your dog has easy access to a drink when needed.

Hardwood and tile floors are slippery and can be very difficult for dogs with arthritis to navigate. Placing carpet or non- slip area rugs will help secure your dog's footing. This can help prevent him from slipping and injuring himself.

One popular drug for joint stiffness in dogs is Rimadyl. You should be aware that there has been liver damage and even deaths from this drug in specific breeds of dogs. The predominant breed affected has been the Labrador Retriever.

It is always best to check with your veterinarian before putting your pet on any medication or supplement. This information should be a part of your pet's medical record.

[CorkyMax]

dog joint health pills

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Expert: Dawn Spoolman - 8/26/2005

Question
Hello, I have spent a lot of time looking for a supplement for my dog with arthritis (lab). I've come up with a list but I can't decide between which particular product to get. I'm going to give you the list of about five products I've narrowed it down to and their ingredients. If you could help me decide that would be a awesome.

GNC Triflex
Sodium 100mg 4%

Glucosamine HCl 1500 mg **
Chondroitin Sulfate, Sodium 1200 mg **
MSM (as Methylsulfonyl-methane) 900 mg **

Joint Care Plus with MSM
500 mg Glucosamine
400 mg Chondroitin
50 mg Vitamin C
100 mg MSM (Methylsulfonylmethane)

Glyco-Flex® III

Perna canaliculus 600 mg
Methylsulfonylmethane 1,000 mg
Glucosamine HCl 1,000 mg
Dimethylglycine 100 mg
Manganese (elemental) 10 mg



Vitamin C (as Calcium Ascorbate) 25 mg
Grape Seed Extract 5 mg
Glutathione 2 mg
Selenium 2 mg
Vitamine E 50 IU

Synovi G3 Chewables
Guaranteed Analysis:

Crude Protein not less than 4%
Crude Fat not less than 2%
Crude Fiber not more than 30%
Moisture not more than 10%
Calcium 0.4% - 0.8%
Phosphorus not less than 0.3%
Salt not less than 0.0%
Glucomsamine HCl not less than 900mg
MSM not less than 800mg
Creatine Monohydrate not less than 500mg
Perna Canaliculus not less than 300mg
EPA not less than 18mg
DHA not less than 12mg
Vitamin C not less than 10mg
Vitamin E not less than 50 IU

Thank you very much for your time and help!
Marcus



Answer
Hi Marcus, I like Joint Care Plus because it has the glucosamine, chondroitin, MSM & Vitamin C all together. Vitamin C is excellent for joint pain also, so in conjunction with those other products, they all work well together. Hope this helps,

[CorkyMax]

On May 22, 9:07 pm, sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com> wrote:






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I use PhyCox on my 150 Mastiff and he loves the pills and seems to be
hleping his hip pain... still lipms slightly. ( took about 4 weeks at
a high dosage to kick in 100% and now we are gonna cut him back to the
maintinance dosage.

[CorkyMax]

PhyCox-JS Soft Chews (120 Soft Chews)






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DescriptionCustomer ReviewsPhyCox-JS soft chews are a joint support for dogs. It's formula to help reduce inflammation and discomfort due to normal daily activity.

PhyCox-JS Soft Chews contain Phycocyanin, a naturally derived Cox-2 inhibitor and antioxidant. It is combined with glucosamine, MSN, minerals, essential fatty acids, amino acids and other antioxidants. Weight Amount


5 - 15 lb 1/2 chew every other day


16 - 30 lb 1/2 chew daily


31 - 60 lb 1 chew daily
61 - 100 lb 2 chews daily
Over 100 lb 2 1/2 chews daily


Guaranteed Analysis:
Glucosamine Hydrochloride 450 mg
Methyl sulfony methane (MSM) 400 mg
Flaxseed Oil 400 mg
Creatine monohydrate 250 mg
Turmeric 50 mg
Phycox 30 mg
Eicosapentaenoic Acid 9 mg
Docosahexaenoic Acid 6 mg
Boron 100 mcg


I would still go for the human-grade product but thought this would give an idea as to the different dosages of each 'ingredient'--esp. the amount of MSM.

[CorkyMax]

http://www.tevaanimalhealth.com/pdf/...S_Brochure.pdf

[CorkyMax]

You will find many ways to give pills ----Just go to the blue strip across top of pages in here and find white word Search-click--and put Ways to give Pills in search box--Show threads (not posts) Only thread there!

Whew!! Lol, guess I gave you enough 'stuff' here to keep you busy for a good half day at least!!

[CorkyMax]

Originally Posted by UnderDog

PhyCox contains HCL, not Sulphate, and contains no Chondroitin.

Sounds like this is not the best choice as it contains no Chondroitin!!! To repeat: (and it also tells about this in another of my many posts here)

1. sulfate
2. HCL-----You need chondroitin to make this work the best!
3. 2KCL---This is an inferior type--You don't want this!

Sulfate does not need the Chondroitin. And, lol, forget about the inferior 2KCL---period!