[silent watcher]

hi corky and everyone. u said it before that my pup is either a border collie or an australian shepherd. yet you are not sure of it. i do see some similarities between my pup and a border pup, black and white markings, ears and eyes except that my pup has shorter coat and is single coated. but then again, a just saw an aussie pup and it looks like my pup too....

i want to be sure about my pup's breed. so this will be the last time i'll do this.

some pic attachments below...

the 1st and 2nd pic is a border pup.

the 3rd, 4th is my pup tiptop.

the 5th is an aussie pup!

i wanna know your thoughts... thanks! i hope someone will help.

[CorkyMax]

Originally Posted by silent watcher

hi corky and everyone. u said it before that my pup is either a border collie or an australian shepherd. yet you are not sure of it. i do see some similarities between my pup and a border pup, black and white markings, ears and eyes except that my pup has shorter coat and is single coated. but then again, a just saw an aussie pup and it looks like my pup too....

i want to be sure about my pup's breed. so this will be the last time i'll do this.

some pic attachments below...

the 1st and 2nd pic is a border pup.

the 3rd, 4th is my pup tiptop.

the 5th is an aussie pup!

i wanna know your thoughts... thanks! i hope someone will help.

I will quote you what it says in my breeds book but first I have a few comments. 1.--- You mentioned that your puppy was probably part (and now I can't remember what you called it -but it was your 'native' dog there). Being as this is a mixed breed--It could have more than just the one breed's 'looks'. The shorter coat could be a trait of the native dog or an in between length of both of them! Also I think I mentioned before that the coat may turn out differently later when your pup becomes an adult--Could be a longer haired dog than you think! I know my purebred cocker's coat got longer and curlier as he got older! And by the way--Thanks for the nice comment on my dogs' coats. And are you positive about it being one-coated--This could show up differently as it gets full-grown too I would think!! I am no groomer, (so wasn't aware enough about this double coat).
I had a hard time realizing that my cocker/golden retriever had a double coat until he started shedding so much hair!
2.--- I see in your pic of your pup that it has a fairly long tail. As we both know there appears to be very little differences in the Border Collie and the Aussie--But it does mention in my book (and I am looking at pics of both breeds in this book) for the Aussie ---The tail is very short or missing. And the pic of the Border Collie shows a long tail. Now I don't know what kind of tail your native dog has so it could be whatever that has too! You will probably never know positively which breed you have in this mix--but I am leaning toward the Border Collie. I know you are curious--and I was too about my mix--the cocker spaniel/golden retriever mix---You see I know he is part cocker but did not know the other mix but I am fairly (finally)sure that the ? part is a Golden Retriever--and I am satisfied now with that. BUT you will love (do love) your dog no matter what the mix is that you don't know! Your puppy is an individual that has his own characteristics and his development as an individual will depend on you and his environment for how he acts. The main reason to want to know what breeds are there is so you can know things like health problems that breed may be prone to ---But one thing about this dog--the similarities of the 2 questionable breeds is that these 2 breeds are so much the same that you don't have to worry much about that!

I am going to make a new post under this one and quote some from my book on the two breeds in question. Lol, the word by word descriptions, etc.are almost identical. They are both considered herding dogs and so close in everything that they are both 'across the page' from each other in my book.

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[silent watcher]

i am looking forward to your next post, corky... now here are some pics of our native dogs called, aspin in english, " street dog".

aspins here are in a very pityful situation. no one would care for them, no food, shelter, bath! those aspins are left on the streets! some of them died by getting hit my vehicles and some are cooked for food, and some get rabid. these are some of the reasons i hate my country, Philippines. I dont even mention the worst politics here!

so what did u see in aspins that my pup has? what are there similarities?

[CorkyMax]

First will quote about the history of the two breeds.
HISTORY:
Border Collie: Developed for herding sheep in the rugged Scottish border country, the Border Collie's speed and stamina made it an outstanding worker and now a favorite worldwide.
Australian Shepherd: Despite the misleading name, the Australian Shepherd is not Australian at all but was developed entirely in the U.S. to work as a herding dog on ranches. It is possible that the name was derived from one of the dog's ancestors. The breed's principal forebears were most likely Spanish dogs that accompanied the Basque shepherds and herds of fine Merino sheep exported to both America and Australia in the early days of the colonies. At some point, IT WAS PROBABLY CROSSED WITH COLLIE STOCK. It has only quite recently (This book is 12 yrs. old!) gained recognition as a distinct breed.

DESCRIPTION:
Border Collie: These athletic little dogs have well-proportioned bodies, lean and well muscled. The medium-length, double coat comes mainly in black with white, sometimes tricolored with tan, and also blue merle with white markings. There is often lavish feathering on the legs, underbody and tail, and a ruff behind the head. (As I have noted before 'looks' can change with adulthood!! That is why it is hard to identify what the breed is a lot of the time until it is not a pup anymore and it gets it's 'permanent' look!--Please keep that in mind.) It is noted for the way it mesmerizes sheep with its eyes.
Australian Shepherd: A medium-sized dog, the Aussie, as it is known, has a lean, muscular body and coarse, medium-to-long coat, which is well feathered on the ears, chest and underbody and the tops of the legs. There is a thick ruff on the chest and neck. The coat color and pattern are remarkably varied. The tail is very short or missing. If present, it is usually docked. (So as you see-the description is about the same (except maybe the tail) and as I keep saying--These descriptions may not show up until pup is done growing and that your dog could have variations in looks of these breeds and the 'native' dog also!)

TEMPERAMENT:
Border Collie: Highly intelligent and eager to please, Border Collies are easily obedience trained, but harsh training can make them submissive. They are wonderful pets, especially in homes with energetic children, but can be scrappy and jealous with other dogs.
Aussie: Extremely intelligent, easily trained, obedient and very responsive, these dogs seem to know exactly what is required of them (end of quotes--for now anyway. I have a 'demanding cocker mix who is wanting his breakfast (Corky) right now.
The other headings I have left to quote from this breeds book are: Grooming--Exercise & Feeding---Health Problems and a Be Aware section. Will try to get back with this info inside the next 24 hrs. Lol, Hey! Just try to enjoy your 'unique' baby no matter what he is---Like I said before--You are the one molding his personality--'pretty much.' Hope there are no problems with that plastic wrapper incident! Talk to you later.

[Yogi]

as one who has raised and bred Aussies, I do not see any Aussie in the pic. Looking at the last pic of the 2 Aussie pups you can see why. Aussies have a dense semi curled and wavy coat with a light brushing of a straight coat over them. Your pup shows no wavy curly coat. Border Collies on the other hand are more likely to have a straight coat with less curl or wave to them.
As noted, Aussies are "native" to the US. Are you from the US?

[CorkyMax]

Originally Posted by silent watcher

i am looking forward to your next post, corky... now here are some pics of our native dogs called, aspin in english, " street dog".

aspins here are in a very pityful situation. no one would care for them, no food, shelter, bath! those aspins are left on the streets! some of them died by getting hit my vehicles and some are cooked for food, and some get rabid. these are some of the reasons i hate my country, Philippines. I dont even mention the worst politics here!I was afraid of them having a bad life but didn't realize it was that bad! My God, How many countries are there that allow the eating of dogs--Makes me sick! I hope there is some kind of ethics here and your dog doesn't get stolen or eaten!!! Is there a big problem in the Phiippines with the rabies situation?



so what did u see in aspins that my pup has? what are there similarities?I'm sorry I don't really see anything at all but I can't really tell much from the pics. as to what the coat looks like or feels like---Picture are not that clear to me either----Appears to have a long tail! My question is --If this is a street dog and not 'controlled'---How can they all look the same ---What breeds are involved could be many I would think!---So how do you really know what each different one will look like!?

[CorkyMax]

Will finish what is in my breeds book now.

GROOMING:
Border Collie: Regular combing and brushing will keep the coat gleaming, with extra care needed when the soft, dense undercoat is shedding. Bathe or dry shampoo only when necessary. Check the ears and coat regularly for ticks.
Aussie: The coat is easy to groom and needs very little attention. Brush occasionally with a firm bristle brush, and bathe only when necessary.

EXERCISE & FEEDING:
Border Collie: Fast and agile, these lively little dogs have boundless energy and thrive on hard work and play. They are a delight to see streaking after a ball, or bringing straying sheep back to the fold. They also love to swim. There are no special feeding requirements, but don't allow them to become overweight and lazy.
Aussie: This energetic working dog needs plenty of vigorous exercise to stay in shape, or better yet some real work to do. There are no special feeding requirements.

HEALTH PROBLEMS:
Border Collie: Although generally hardy, the breed is subject to some joint problems and genetic eye problems, such as progressive retinal atrophy.
Aussies are healthy and hardy, although they can suffer from hip dysplasia and eye problems.

BE AWARE!
Border Collie: 1.--These dogs must have enough exercise---boredom leads to bad habits.
2.--Ticks can be hard to locate in the thick undercoat.
Aussie: They are sensitive to some heartworm preventatives. Check out this thread--post # 3 by Luv2byte for more info on the heartworm preventative problem the Aussie could have:
Insecure Aussie is agressive toward unfamiliar dogs.
Border Collie: Height:Male-19 to 22 inches (from shoulder down) and weight-30 to 45 pounds. Female: height: 18 to 21 inches and weight-27 to 42 pounds.

Aussie: Height: Male-19 to 23 inches and weight-40 to 70 pounds. Female: height: 18 to 22 inches and weight-35 to 65 pounds.

Not much difference in size either you see!
Don't know if I gave you this information before or not but wish you would check out this link in here: Foods that are hazardous to a dog

[silent watcher]

so sad but rabies cases is severe here in our country. Thats why the congress has made a law about rabies prevention. The primary source of rabies here is the aspins. not surprising coz they are not taken cared of. They just live beside the streets or anywhere they go.

back to the topic, i will wait till my pup is fully grown! but as of now, he definitely has strong similarities with border collies. and maybe he has an aspin blood too. hehehe! btw, how do u make corky's coat shiny? my pup tiptop has a dull, faded coat. when he arrived home, i know nothing about dogs, so i bathe him with a laundry saop and a laundry disinfectant liquid on a couple ocassions hoping make him really clean and free from lice! But that was a huge mistake!!! I feel guilty! I wish i never had done that!

[CorkyMax]

how do u make corky's coat shiny? my pup tiptop has a dull, faded coat. when he arrived home, i know nothing about dogs, so i bathe him with a laundry saop and a laundry disinfectant liquid on a couple ocassions hoping make him really clean and free from lice! But that was a huge mistake!!! I feel guilty! I wish i never had done that

First I feed a raw and home-cooked diet. If a dog is eating a non-nutritious diet it is going to show in the coat as the dog is not over-all healthy to start with. And some foods that are especially good for the coat--eggs, vinegar, protein foods, supplements as Omega 3, olive oil. You are not going to find proper nutrition in your cheap commercial dog foods!!
2. I also don't bathe my dogs very often--actually hardly at all! I will leave some links to click on here about bathing your dog. And I know there is controversy about the different kinds of shampoos to use. Some can be pretty harsh! And you already know you shouldn't of used laundry soap and I have to say I shuddered when I read that you had used a laundry disinfectant--Are you referring to bleach?! Vinegar is a good topical when bathing also (not just putting in the food---My 2 dogs get vinegar in their supper meal everyday---More on that in one of the links I will give here.)
Will go find the links now--may take a while to get all I want to put here so just keep checking this post for more info--although I will probably have it all here within the next hour or so.

http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/guide/dog...a-healthy-coat

About Fish Oil!

What About Vinegar!! ----There are a lot of benefits in using vinegar--Not just for the coat but other good healthy benefits--Hope yoy read the entire thread!

[CorkyMax]

A healthy skin and a lustrous coat is a matter of great owner pride. It also reflects the internal good health of a pet. Two things are extremely necessary for a good, shiny dog coat - internal health and external care.

Internal Health

Beauty, as you know, is only skin deep. A strong and healthy body can ensure a healthy skin and, in turn, a shiny coat. Whatever the color or type of coat, proper nutrition is instrumental in improving the appearance of a dog’s coat. There are many dog food brands that claim to have adequate nutrients that can help in obtaining a good coat for your pet. You can also choose to give your dog a nutritional coat supplement. These supplements can provide all the specific nutrients that are necessary for a good skin and coat.

Before buying dog food make sure that you read the label for its contents. Not all the pet foods available in the market pay proper heed to the quantitative and qualitative requirements of dogs. Carbohydrates, proteins, vitamins and minerals need to be in a proper balance to ensure a healthy skin. In case you are formulating a homemade diet, you should consult your veterinarian first.

Intestinal parasites can gobble up nutrients and cause conditions that ultimately reflect on the skin and coat of the dog. The dog becomes weaker; the coat may lose its luster and require extra care. These parasites are mostly visible in the feces and can be treated with regular de-worming and prevented through cleaning the environment.

External care

All dogs need to be groomed by their owners. Cats are however, better at grooming themselves and therefore the amount of grooming, cleaning and bathing required for them is less. There are combs available for removing mats and untangling long hair. Regular brushing can remove dead hair and small scales from the skin and hair. Regular grooming can also help in early detection and treatment of external parasites.

External parasites like ear mites and fleas or ticks induce excessive scratching in pets that ends up in causing lesions and patches, or canine and feline hair loss . External parasites can be very uncomfortable for the dog and can make life miserable.

Shampoos meant for humans can cause allergic reactions in dogs. Specialized dog shampoos have a lower pH level, which is more suited to a dog’s skin. These shampoos are also treated especially so that they do not cause irritation in the eyes. If your dog has an itchy skin or if his coat looks rough and patchy, you can choose a shampoo meant for the specific condition. An organic shampoo is preferred if you know that your dog develops allergies or irritations from using normal dog shampoos.

[CorkyMax]

How to Keep a Dog's Coat Healthy and Shiny

Step 1Feed your dog a nutritious diet with the proper balance of protein, carbohydrates, vitamins and minerals, including omega fatty acids and Vitamin E. About 20-25 percent of the diet should be protein.

Step 2Add one teaspoon of olive, sunflower, safflower, canola, flaxseed or fish oil to your dog’s daily food. This will add shine to the coat and help to reduce shedding.

Step 3Brush your dog at least once a week. If your dog is of the more shedding variety, do it more often. This distributes the natural oils, prevents matting and helps minimize dust and dirt. Besides, most dogs love it.

Step 4Try different dog shampoos. There are moisturizing shampoos for a dry or brittle coat, oatmeal shampoo for itchy, irritated skin and dandruff and botanical or herbal shampoos for an overall healthier coat. Biotin helps with dry skin and panthenol adds shine to the coat (see Resources below).

Step 5Take your dog to a veterinarian for regular checkups, which should include inspection of the entire coat, including the tail and paws. Sometimes skin problems and hair loss may be caused by a medical condition.

Tips & Warnings
Certain dog foods and treats contain flaxseed, which is comprised of omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids that are essential for healthy skin and coat.Biotin supplemental powder added to your dog’s daily diet can help control dry skin and allergies.The Missing Link is a powder supplement that can be added to your dog’s regular food. It contains vitamins and minerals that may be missing from commercial dog foods, as well as omega fatty acids.Apple cider vinegar can help relieve and prevent certain skin conditions and repel fleas when it is added to your dog’s food or water. One daily teaspoon is good for a smaller dog, two teaspoons for a medium dog and a tablespoon for a larger dog.Professional groomers have the expertise and tools for getting your dog’s coat in optimum condition. A visit to the groomer can range from once a month to every four to six months, depending on the dog’s coat.Too frequent bathing will strip the coat of natural oils and dry it out.Hot spots or other skin conditions/allergies can cause hair loss.

[CorkyMax]

About the Coat--Found the Info!

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This is good info for everybody:The coat

Let's start with the coat. Dogs have fur. Even those that are artificially bred to be "naked" have some fur. Some dogs have a very natural fur that is very similar to what the wolf has. Other dogs have developed a coat that has lost a lot of its natural properties - which causes some serious problems that need to find a solution through the owner's management. I will not go into any detail about that, because the variations depends on what exactly it is about the coat that isn't natural.

A natural dog coat is supposed to consist of two kinds of hairs: the longer cover-hairs and the shorter (often curly) under-wool. This is the visible part. Dogs are supposed to shed their coat twice a year, spring and fall - the summer coat being much thinner with much less under-wool, the winter coat being thick and long with lots of under-wool for insulation. (Some dogs, like poodles, have no cover-hairs. Others, like Shi-tzus, have no under-wool. Such breeds do not have the natural protection they should have - and if you have such a dog, you need to protect it from the weather. And when you meet one of those dogs, you have to quit laughing at the owner's attempt to dress up the dog! Those dogs need that protection!)

The non-visible part consists of the hair follicles. Those are small glands that are connected to the root of each individual hair. They produce a constant supply of grease that will "creep" up along the hairs, just as sugar does on a spoon you leave in the jam jar overnight. This grease will push all kinds of dirt and foreign objects from the base of the hair to the tip, in a matter of days. In the process, the grease reacts with oxygen in the air and hardens. It ends up as a fine dust when it reaches the tip of the hair - and leaves the dog's body together with whatever dirt it pushed along. You can see this when the dog shakes - and you might wonder where all that dust comes from! Now you know. It is the dog's natural way of cleaning the coat, from inside out. Terribly, terribly smart invention from mother Nature's side!

Can you see how much damage you can do to this fine-tuned system by applying shampoo - or any other kind of detergent whose primary chemical/physical property is to dissolve fat and grease?

Dogs do not have sweat glands in their skin, except between the toes on the paws and on the tongue. Their skin does not get "greasy" from sweat, as our skin does. Our skin is grounds for a lot of bacteria that grow on our sweat - and create this typically unpleasant smell that causes us to bathe or use deodorants - or both. But for dogs, this is not an issue at all!

What happens when you bathe your dog is that those small glands get a message that the fat and grease they produce to keep the coat nice and clean have been removed. The natural reaction to that is an increased production to re-establish the natural balance! So, the more you bathe the dog, the more greasy the coat becomes! It is an impossible battle for you to win, because, the more you keep the dog's skin free of fat, the more problems you create for the skin. The dog gets itchy-and it becomes extremely vulnerable for infection and parasites! Hey, maybe this is the 'big' problem!!?

Besides, this natural grease keeps the coat water repellant - and thus nice and warm, also in wet weather. When you shampoo the coat, it loses that ability to repel water - and the dog is miserably cold when it gets wet...

What you do when the dog gets dirty? Rinse it with clean water - or let it take a swim. Just keep shampoos and detergents off the coat.

And, a final comment about the coat: it insulates the dog's body very well. Because dogs do not depend on sweat glands in the skin to keep themselves cool in the summer heat, the coat insulates equally well against the heat as it does against the cold! This means that shaving the dog in the summer is not protecting it against the heat - it is making it more vulnerable!

[CorkyMax]

There are warnings here other than the salmon ---Main reason for this post is the raw salmon danger but rest of article is important too! To add to the info on raw salmon and actually any tropical (warm water) raw fish---Please do not let your dog eat it---very dangerous to do!! Read on and you will know why!
Dog Poison & Toxicity

Food Toxins (Poisons) That Effect Dogs:

The best way to protect your dog is to learn about foods and compounds that can be poisonous to your dog and then isolate your dog from coming in contact with these substances.

Please contact your Veterinarian or contact the 24 hour a day ASPCA Poison control hotline immediately at (888) 426-4435 if you suspect your dog has been poisoned.


Some potential threats from food include:



Salmon poisoning
Macadamia nuts
Alcohol beverages
Onion, garlic and chives
Grape and raisin
Mushroom
Poultry bones
Chocolate
Coffee
Yeast dough
Salt
Xylitol sweetener
Fatty foods

Salmon Poisoning Disease
Eating raw fish may lead to salmon poisoning, a life threatening syndrome that can cause diarrhea, dehydration, and depression in your dog. Steelhead and other trout can also carry the disease. The disease is caused from a deadly bacteria carried by some free swimming-parasites called flukes. If your dog eats the raw fish that carry the fluke, the parasites can attach to the walls of your dogs intestine releasing the bacteria. The bacteria can enter the blood stream and spread to other organs. It is preventable by cooking all fish before feeding your dog. If you are outdoors hiking or camping or live near streams and rivers were salmon spawn, keep a close eye on your dog on don't let your pet run free to insure that no fish carcasses are ingested. Please see your vet immediately if you suspect your dog has ingested raw salmon.

Macadamia nuts
Clinical signs are usually seen within 12 hours of ingestion. Dogs can have the following symptoms: ataxia, depression, vomiting, muscle tremors, hypothermia, weakness, and an elevated heart rate. The toxic dose to dogs ranges from 2.4-62.4 grams per kilogram of body weight. This is a very large range and can mean that some dogs will get ill with just a small amount of nuts ingested, while other dogs need to each a lot of nuts to show signs. Try and determine how much your dog ate as this information will be very helpful to your veterinarian.

Alcohol toxicity
Can cause intoxication, coma, and death. Do not give your dog alcoholic beverages.

Onion and garlic toxicity
Dogs develop hemolytic anemia if they eat enough onions. The quantity of onions required is high enough that dogs can generally tolerate small doses of onions without any problem and moderate amounts of onion without clinically apparent disease, even though there may be measurable changes on lab test results.

Grape and raisin poisonings in Dogs
Grapes and raisins can be toxic to dogs when ingested in large quantities. Symptoms include: gastrointestinal signs such as vomiting, diarrhea and then signs of kidney failure.

Mushroom toxicity
Mushroom toxicity does occur in dogs and it can be fatal if certain species of mushrooms are eaten. Amanita phalloides is the most commonly reported severely toxic species of mushroom in the US but other Amanita species are toxic. They can cause severe liver disease and neurological disorders.

Poultry bones
Bone can splinter and puncture the stomach or intestines. Poultry bones are particularly dangerous, as they become brittle when cooked. It is much safer to give your dog a bone designed for pets.

Chocolate toxicity
Chocolate contains a xanthine compound, theobromine that is toxic in sufficient quantities. Examples of other xanthine compounds are caffeine and theophylline. The toxicity from all of these compounds is similar. Lethal dosages of chocolate are approximately 44mg theobromine/oz for milk chocolate, 150mg/oz for semi-sweet chocolate and 390 mg/oz for baking chocolate. Using a dose of 100mg/kg as the toxic dose the toxic dosages per pound of body weight for dogs work out to be roughly:

Milk chocolate

1 ounce per pound of body weight (2 ounces per kg of body weight)

Semi-sweet chocolate

1 ounce per 3 pounds of body weight ( 1 ounce per 1.5 kg body weight)

Baker's chocolate

1 ounce per 9 pounds of body weight ( 1 ounce per 4 kg)

Toxic signs may occur at lower dosages.

Coffee toxicity
Coffee contains a xanthine compound the same compound found in chocolate theobromine that is toxic in sufficient quantities.

Yeast dough
Can expand and produce gas in the digestive system, causing pain and possible rupture of the stomach or intestines.

Salt & salty foods
If eaten in large quantities it may lead to electrolyte imbalances.

Xylitol sweetener
Dogs ingesting large amounts of products sweetened with xylitol may have a sudden drop in blood sugar, resulting depression, loss of coordination, and seizures. Some data suggest a link between xylitol ingestion and liver failure.

Fatty foods
Fatty foods in excess can cause pancreatitis. Try and resist the temptation to feed your dog high fat people food. The signs of pancreatitis include vomiting, diarrhea and abdominal pain.

More info on how to feed salmon-------------->
http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/must...n_for_dogs.htm

[silent watcher]

well i disagree with the poultry bones and raw fish!

Aspins here eat poultry bones and they are fine! And my pup too eats fish bones, chicken bones, and pig bones! and he is fine too! dogs love all kinds of bones! i think their intestines are designed to tolerate bones just like the way their teeth is designed to chew hard bones!!!

and i see many bears eat raw salmons! so why are they fine????

[CorkyMax]

Originally Posted by silent watcher

well i disagree with the poultry bones and raw fish!

Aspins here eat poultry bones and they are fine! And my pup too eats fish bones, chicken bones, and pig bones! and he is fine too! dogs love all kinds of bones! i think their intestines are designed to tolerate bones just like the way their teeth is designed to chew hard bones!!!

and i see many bears eat raw salmons! so why are they fine????

Haven't got time right now to find you 'proof' of all your questions but as far as the salmon--will leave you a link or 2 now! Recent Columns

http://wildlife1.wildlifeinformation...kes_Bears.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/...ad/349167.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmon_poisoning_disease

And will say this for now: How do you know how many aspins (or other dogs) that may of died because of a bone obstructing or piercing their intestines--or any other place within their body like the throat and choked to death. You could see an aspin laying dead and not know that it died from this and would assume something else!!! Vets have seen this happen when the dog was brought in because something was wrong with it!! Raw chicken bones are iffy ---I will feed mine raw chicken necks and wings and backs but the thigh and leg bones are thicker bones and more dangerous and also hard on the dog's teeth--may break them!

The raw fish that you have there would be 'warm water' fish so will have this fluke/parasite! Cold water fish does not have the problem as I guess this fluke doesn't exist in the cold!! Raw pork has a worm that I will find more info on later!! I know that you don't like hearing about these bones and fish because it is 'free' available 'food' for your dog but some could kill your dog or if taken to a vet to try to save it's life could cost a lot of money!!!

Decided to try and finish this post now--So here is a link about raw pork!

http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Trichinosis.htm

[CorkyMax]

This is some info. I found about one thing that is in your Philippines: Capillaria philippinensis and Raw Fish
First discovered in the Philippines, Capillaria philippinensis has infected people in Southeast Asia, Japan, the Middle East and Africa. It is thought to be a parasite of birds acquired accidentally by people when they eat small raw fish (Since the parasite is located in the fish’s entrails, a larger raw fish that has been cleaned is much less risky.)

Capillaria philippinensis infection is rare but serious. The worms can multiply to large numbers in the intestine. Symptoms include diarrhea, abdominal pain, severe intestinal damage, weight loss, dehydration, weakness, and when left untreated, death.Now, just because this was not an article mentioning dogs --Doesn't mean that they can't be infected with this also!

This is not an easy read but am putting it here because it does mention the dog!
Capillaria in the bladder of an adult cat






(Guess I am done now!)

[silent watcher]

hey thanks to this, now i know eating raw meat is dangerous. I feed my pup with raw meat so i better take action now. But dont u feed your dogs with raw meats too??? i hear raw food are best for dogs because their chemical properties are not altered... so how do u prepare raw foods to avoid parasites?

[CorkyMax]

Originally Posted by silent watcher

hey thanks to this, now i know eating raw meat is dangerous. I feed my pup with raw meat so i better take action now. But dont u feed your dogs with raw meats too??? i hear raw food are best for dogs because their chemical properties are not altered... so how do u prepare raw foods to avoid parasites?

Yes I do feed raw but never raw fish or raw pork!! I also do some cooking. Don't feed raw and cooked 'stuff' at same meal. For raw I feed chicken that I cut up minus the bones, although I will give raw chicken necks and the wings raw. You can give raw backs too. I mainly don't want to use the leg and thigh bones or the breast bone. Never feed any kind of cooked bones!!! I also feed raw hamburger, raw ground turkey, turkey chunks, but usually I cook the turkey because it is hard to cut-up raw. Never give the turkey fat or skin--bad fat, very dense. And remember that you have to take out all the cooked bones from anything you cook that has them---and be careful as some small bones can be easily missed! Once in a while they get raw beef (other than the hamburger) but I have to see a good price as this can get expensive. Lamb would be good too but can't afford that either. My favorite would be venison (deer meat) but I have to depend on the deer hunters in my family for that. They get cooked pork once in awhile and that is usually cheaper than other meats except chicken. I don't like to give too much pork even cooked as it tends to have a lot of fat sometimes--depending on the cut of meat. I am pressed for time again right now so will leave you with this link:
BARF for Beginners - Most Frequently Asked Questions You can find out more if you will put words like: dogs/raw feeding or dogs/home cooking in your browser! I may come back at a later time and give you more info and links. Be aware that there are a lot of different opinions on how to feed a dog raw food. And there are dangers in feeding raw as well as the da*n commercial dogfood. A lot of it will depend on how healthy your dog is! Did you read the thread I did recently on commercial dog food?---Plenty of danger there as well as about useless for nutrition. I don't know how regulated it is in the Philippines--about what is fed your cattle, pigs, chickens, etc. The more 'natural' the better.--That is why I prefer the deer meat--It runs wild and not as filled with bad stuff like the way the beef industry, etc. 'messes' up the animals because of the greed trying to fatten them up--even feed them cement dust to make them weigh more and then there are all the antibiotics that are injected! This is too much to go in to and I am in a hurry.

You asked how I prepare to feed raw to avoid the parasites----I do nothing but there are ways to make it safer by adding things like grapefruit extract and other ways that I won't do and you probably won't either. The big thing--where most of the trouble with the parasites that are more prevalent and the kind that are the most dangerous is in raw fish and raw pork!! The healthier the dog--as far as other worms like tapeworms from beef---the less apt to be bothered by this problem. And you should have your dog checked for worms every so often when you go to vet for check-ups, etc. anyhow whether feeding raw or not. If worms are discovered on one of these check-ups--the vet will give medicine to get rid of them. Everyone talks about dogs getting Salmonella from eating raw meat.(and this has nothing to do with salmon!) Put the word in your browser if you want to know about it! Dogs in the 1st place 'resist' this. If the dog is not healthy to begin with--then there can be susceptibility to getting it! Actually from tests done on commercial dog food--That crap is full of all kinds of strains of Salmonella!! And I would like to know how many dogs have gotten sick (from many things) from the commercial dog food and even died because of it and no one knew it was the poisonous commercial dog food that did it!! And some are getting diseases and dying from a life of eating this useless crap that wears down their immune system--so they die before their time because they are unhealthy. And I am talking also that they die before their time even if they are lucky enough not to get a disease, just from a compromised immune system and not having any nutrition. Over a period of time this will do them in! Dogs should live about 10 yrs longer than they do if they were fed right!!!

Well as usual this is turning into a 'book!' Got to get moving here. Talk to you later. Hey, study things--A lot to know and I can't 'do it all' even if I would like to. It took me 11 yrs ---learning things from experience and reading also! And like I said--Everybody does their own thing--the thing to do is study and decide how you want to do it. BUT please do not feed raw fish or pork or any cooked bones! And hope you have memorized the foods that are hazardous to give your dog. Not sure exactly what is plentiful in your country but I feel I should mention avocados----Do not feed any part of this! Hey! Can you give me a list of things you have been feeding your dog!? And I hope you are giving more than just meat and also don't keep feeding the exact same food every day! More later!

[CorkyMax]

A link: Raw Pet Food - The best food to feed your dog, cat, or other domesticated animal

Another link on raw feeding--and there are many links within this site (near bottom of article) that will give you more info. I have never read any of these so I don't know what all you will find: Fresh Food for Dogs - Feeding Raw

Raw Feeding

Justamere Ranch -- Raw Feeding FAQ

I don't agree with some of the ways in some of these sites! I am extra cautious about the bigger bones. Most of, if not all--(Did not read a lot of these ) mention eating raw fish but I believe it is a bad thing waiting to happen---Definitely if it is salmon or fish from warm waters like the Pacific. The cold water fish don't have this problem but you are in a warm water area!!!

[silent watcher]

hehehe! there are no deers here, no salmons. and i think they are not even available in the market. Ok i will give u the list of foods i feed to my pup later.
avocados are common here, i love it myself.

u had given me useful info... thanks for sharing!!!