[Phoenix89]

My dog, Phoenix, will be leaving me this week. I am a complete wreck about it but I have his best interest in mind. We are slowly losing the bond, he's not socialized even with our ferrets and he's been getting into fights with the new dog. He needs to be the only pup in the house cause that's how he grew up. The hard part is not ony giving him up but also knowing that I will never see my baby again. I've had him since he was 8 weeks old and this is going to just break me right down. I am still breaking right down as I can not handle the pain I am going through, this is so very difficult on me, I can't handle the thought of never seeing my baby again.

[Corky/Max]

Originally Posted by Phoenix89

My dog, Phoenix, will be leaving me this week. I am a complete wreck about it but I have his best interest in mind. We are slowly losing the bond, he's not socialized even with our ferrets and he's been getting into fights with the new dog. He needs to be the only pup in the house cause that's how he grew up. The hard part is not ony giving him up but also knowing that I will never see my baby again. I've had him since he was 8 weeks old and this is going to just break me right down. I am still breaking right down as I can not handle the pain I am going through, this is so very difficult on me, I can't handle the thought of never seeing my baby again.

How old is Phoenix---You say you have had him since he was 8 weeks old--So how long have you had him!? And what kind of dog is he? Have to say this the way I see it---Maybe you should keep Phoenix and give the new dog back!! If you can't stand the pain---You must not have that much attachment yet to the new pup! Maybe you need to get some training for Phoenix. I had to make the same choice once a long time ago and I kept the new pup but it was the wrong choice! I repeat--How long have you had Phoenix? It sounds like you will miss him badly when you say you can't handle the thought of never seeing your baby again. Are you sure there isn't still a strong bond here? And that you can't get some training to help the issue.

[Lara's mom]

I agree with Corky/Max. I love all of my dogs but, if the situation got that bad, it would be the puppy who would go; not the older dog.

[DoggieVogue]

I would never trade in my older dog for a newer model. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but that seems to be what you are doing. :???:

[Lara's mom]

That's exactly what it seems like to me too. I can't imagine rehoming either of my two older dogs because of a puppy. Don't get me wrong. I love my puppy Lance with all of my heart but, if it came down to having to make a choice, the puppy would have to be the one to go. My girls were here first.

[mona08]

Phoenix

I think you should maybe see if you can work to keep your baby. My guesss is that you have had him for a significant amount of time and this is why this is breaking your heart. I have had my Havanese/Mini Poodle mix who is 2 years old since she was 10 1/2 weeks old and just having her gone while I had to recover from surgeries tore me apart and she was just boarded for a week at a time. Hopefully this doesn't come across mean but the same thing could happen to the puppy if not socialized so rehoming your 1st baby may not help with the new baby. Have you tried consulting a animal behaviorial specialist. It might not be too late to get help with your 1st dog. The easy advice that you may have been given is to rehome your baby but if you have not exhausted every possible avenue then I say delay separating from your baby.

I knew that little dogs sometimes have a rep for being overly protective of the owners and not friendly with other dogs. I combated this by taking Meka to puppy training classes and budget permitting, I take her to daycamp at least once a month so she gets a chance to play with other dogs. I know this is so Cesar Milan but I do agree with him that dogs live in the moment so I don't think it's too late to fix this situation unless something very traumatic has happened that would prevent your friend from being able to socialize with other dogs.

Your posting is so heart wrenching so I hope this works out for you and your friend.

[Phoenix89]

Originally Posted by DoggieVogue

I would never trade in my older dog for a newer model. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but that seems to be what you are doing. :???:

Never jump to conclusions. Never once in my thread did I say I was trading my dog in for another one, so I don't see how it seems like that to anyone readin my post.

I am keeping both dogs as I have found a way for them to get along.
I am very disgusted that two people here jumped straight into something that was never said.

Originally Posted by Lara's mom

That's exactly what it seems like to me too. I can't imagine rehoming either of my two older dogs because of a puppy. Don't get me wrong. I love my puppy Lance with all of my heart but, if it came down to having to make a choice, the puppy would have to be the one to go. My girls were here first.

Read what I said in the other post I quoted. I NEVER once stated or even hinted towards trading in my dog for another. I am very disgusted that you as well jumped straight into something that was never said, maybe you should think of what you type and read over the post again. My only statement that even mentions the other dog is that my older dog does not get along with him. So tell me where trading him in was stated there.
I would never give the new dog up as I have been seeing signs of abuse and/or neglect.

Phoenix will be 3 this month. When I told him he was going away he got very down but once I mentioned to him that he was staying he's been very playful with the new dog, who I would never give back as I have seen signs of abuse and/or neglect. He didn't answer to his ow name when I first got him but within a couple days there is progress. Now it's just to get him to lay, sit, and stay on command.
Otis, the new dog has had an instant bond from the moment he set foot in this house he eve whines when I go to bed as my fiance doesn't like dogs in the bedroom but Otis is fine once he realizes I'm in the other room and that I'm sleeping.

[Corky/Max]

So glad to hear that Phoenix is staying---He probably just needed a little time to get use to the change! Sorry to hear about the abuse and neglect with the puppy. So many people are conditioned in the attitude that dogs are not something to treat 'right'--that they don't have feelings and that they can hurt--the same as humans. The thing I hate to hear the most from a dog owner (as well as non-dog owners) is when they say "It's just a dog"---Then I know they have been 'conditioned' mostly from childhood to think this way! I know that working dogs (like on farms) were not treated exactly like the house dogs were---I know because I grew up on a farm! Not saying that it is like that with everybody and hopefully things are changing but afraid there are still a lot of people out there that still think like this. Maybe in a generation or 2, it will be much better. Dogs are so innocent and even the dogs who have 'gone bad' are that way because of the bad conditions that humans put them in.

Hope your pup will ' come out of it' all in time. It may take patience but it sounds like you are pretty attached to Otis so I'm sure all he needs is your loving care. A word of advice: You may need to show extra love to Phoenix now too as his nose may be out of joint and needs reassurance that he is still your baby. If he is unsure of his position--This anxiety can show in many types of ways--even aggression--as he is frightened.

Keep us posted on how things are going. I love dogs and like to hear they are happy! Everyone in here loves dogs or they shouldn't be in this forum called I LOVE DOGS! We are all concerned about dogs and them being in a good place. Hope things continue to get better (with a little time).

What kind of dog is Phoenix? I see what the pup is in your other post. And do you have any pics. to share of both or either dogs? Love seeing pics of dogs--get to know them better! I have a pure cocker spaniel named Max (but, lol, gets called Paxer most the time! (go figure) He will be 11 on April Fools Day. Corky (Corker Porker--but not even fat) will be 12 on June 13th and is a cocker/golden retriever mix. Can see their pics. in my album on my profile page if you like.

Oops, I'm back again! It just dawned on me that I was assuming Otis was a puppy but after rereading your posts I am now wondering how old he is as you appear to have rescued him and have not called him a pup but a dog--So how old is he?

[Lara's mom]

Originally Posted by Phoenix89

My dog, Phoenix, will be leaving me this week. I am a complete wreck about it but I have his best interest in mind. We are slowly losing the bond, he's not socialized even with our ferrets and he's been getting into fights with the new dog. He needs to be the only pup in the house cause that's how he grew up. The hard part is not ony giving him up but also knowing that I will never see my baby again. I've had him since he was 8 weeks old and this is going to just break me right down. I am still breaking right down as I can not handle the pain I am going through, this is so very difficult on me, I can't handle the thought of never seeing my baby again.

My response was a direct result of what you posted. You said, "He's been getting into fights with the NEW dog...I've had him since he was 8 weeks old."

[Phoenix89]

Originally Posted by Corky/Max

So glad to hear that Phoenix is staying---He probably just needed a little time to get use to the change! Sorry to hear about the abuse and neglect with the puppy. So many people are conditioned in the attitude that dogs are not something to treat 'right'--that they don't have feelings and that they can hurt--the same as humans. The thing I hate to hear the most from a dog owner (as well as non-dog owners) is when they say "It's just a dog"---Then I know they have been 'conditioned' mostly from childhood to think this way! I know that working dogs (like on farms) were not treated exactly like the house dogs were---I know because I grew up on a farm! Not saying that it is like that with everybody and hopefully things are changing but afraid there are still a lot of people out there that still think like this. Maybe in a generation or 2, it will be much better. Dogs are so innocent and even the dogs who have 'gone bad' are that way because of the bad conditions that humans put them in.

Hope your pup will ' come out of it' all in time. It may take patience but it sounds like you are pretty attached to Otis so I'm sure all he needs is your loving care. A word of advice: You may need to show extra love to Phoenix now too as his nose may be out of joint and needs reassurance that he is still your baby. If he is unsure of his position--This anxiety can show in many types of ways--even aggression--as he is frightened.

Keep us posted on how things are going. I love dogs and like to hear they are happy! Everyone in here loves dogs or they shouldn't be in this forum called I LOVE DOGS! We are all concerned about dogs and them being in a good place. Hope things continue to get better (with a little time).

What kind of dog is Phoenix? I see what the pup is in your other post. And do you have any pics. to share of both or either dogs? Love seeing pics of dogs--get to know them better! I have a pure cocker spaniel named Max (but, lol, gets called Paxer most the time! (go figure) He will be 11 on April Fools Day. Corky (Corker Porker--but not even fat) will be 12 on June 13th and is a cocker/golden retriever mix. Can see their pics. in my album on my profile page if you like.

Oops, I'm back again! It just dawned on me that I was assuming Otis was a puppy but after rereading your posts I am now wondering how old he is as you appear to have rescued him and have not called him a pup but a dog--So how old is he?

Otis will be 2 in July, Phoenix is a lab/hound mix.

With Otis, if I touch or pet him just slightly he's right there to get attention, he lays next to where I sit on the couch. I a slowly realizing we need a bigger place lol as they love to play in the house...Phoenix is a little sh*t disturber..he's the one who starts most of the romps lol. I read an ad on Kijiji Ottawa that this person posted as a joke where they are trying to sell their kids, it's meant to put the message out there that you wouldn't give your kids away because a dog came into your life so why give your dog up just because a kid came into your life. Most vicious or aggresive dogs are the way they are cause of how they are raised.

I just don't get some people these days, the people that get a dog and say or think "Oh we'll just put him/her outside and they'l be fine". Dogs need attention and love from the owner, with Otis that's all he needs is love nad attention and it saddens me how he never got that at his old home.
As I said before, some people, I will never understand. I do have photos but have to browse and see how I upload them lol. Keep your eyes peeled for them though.