[Lunareclipse]

Now the rest of Ohio needs to wake up. The town where I live still has BSL laws. I think we should all learn a lesson from Cleveland. It should be based on case by case basis.
Pit bulls no longer considered 'vicious' by Cleveland after ordinance change

[bigpawsup]

That is great news - and more the way things should be. A city government actually doing something logical - I guess stranger things have happened.

I hope laws like this can become the prevailing trend.

[Lara's mom]

I hope they don't do that in Toronto...

[bigpawsup]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Toronto have a ban on Pits and Staffies?

[Deafdogsrule]

All of Ontario has BSL.

[Lunareclipse]

That's because the politicians in Ontario is nothing but a bunch of dog haters that want to blame the dog and not the owner. They think that humans couldn't possibly be responsible for their own dogs.

[Lara's mom]

Baloney!!! The ban was enacted because of the number of attacks on both humans and dogs. In my opinion, it hasn't done a lot of good because the ban isn't enforced the way it should be. The ban sure didn't stop Lance from being murdered by one of those monsters.

[Lunareclipse]

Originally Posted by Lara's mom

Baloney!!! The ban was enacted because of the number of attacks on both humans and dogs. In my opinion, it hasn't done a lot of good because the ban isn't enforced the way it should be. The ban sure didn't stop Lance from being murdered by one of those monsters.

They should ban chihuahua and cocker spaniels then. There is more attacks from those two breeds than from pittbulls.

[Deafdogsrule]

Originally Posted by Lara's mom

Baloney!!! The ban was enacted because of the number of attacks on both humans and dogs. In my opinion, it hasn't done a lot of good because the ban isn't enforced the way it should be. The ban sure didn't stop Lance from being murdered by one of those monsters.

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PIT BULLS ARE JUST DOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!

No better, no worse than any other dogs! they are USED by monsters, People who want tough-looking, mean dogs.

Breed bans dont work, because even though they're killing family pets like Lennox, the REAL culprits go unpunished... OWNERS of aggressive dogs. If they cant have pitties, they use Rotties, Dobermans, GSD's, Boxers and mutts.

No thank you. It's small minded people like you who are killing perfectly wonderful family pets, and letting PEOPLE off the hook.

Pit Bulls are not monsters, you made me very angry, sad and SICK. You would have done well at the Salem Witch Trials!!!

[Lunareclipse]

It's not the pittbulls fault he had a stupid owner.

Originally Posted by Deafdogsrule

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PIT BULLS ARE JUST DOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!

No better, no worse than any other dogs! they are USED by monsters, People who want tough-looking, mean dogs.

Breed bans dont work, because even though they're killing family pets like Lennox, the REAL culprits go unpunished... OWNERS of aggressive dogs. If they cant have pitties, they use Rotties, Dobermans, GSD's, Boxers and mutts.

No thank you. It's small minded people like you who are killing perfectly wonderful family pets, and letting PEOPLE off the hook.

Pit Bulls are not monsters, you made me very angry, sad and SICK. You would have done well at the Salem Witch Trials!!!

I agree with everything said here.

[Deafdogsrule]

Your beloved JRT's are considered the most aggressive dog breed by dog professionals, they bite more people than any other breed (my beloved Dachshund is next, then Chi's)

LABS kill more people every year than Pit Bulls do, should we ban them too???

Rough Collies (Lassie) bite more people than Pitties, Ban them too???

BSL is based on Media witch hunts, Blame, Small-mindedness, and Raceism, not the dogs!

You should be ashamed of yourself!

[Lunareclipse]

Originally Posted by Deafdogsrule

You're beloved JRT's are considered the most aggressive dog breed by dog professionals, they bite more people than any other breed (my beloved Dachshund is next, then Chi's)

LABS kill more people every year than Pit Bulls do, should we ban them too???

Rough Collies (Lassie) bite more people than Pitties, Ban them too???

BSL is based on Media witch hunts, Blame, Small-mindedness, and Raceism, not the dogs!

You should be ashamed of yourself!

I have not met a nice JRT yet. Those ones across the street from me has tried to bite anyone who walks by the fence. The owners do nothing to correct this behavior.

[Lara's mom]

Actually, if anyone should be ashamed of themselves shouldn't it be the owner of the pit bull who did not have his dog muzzled in direct contravention of Ontario law?

[Lunareclipse]

Originally Posted by Lara's mom

Actually, if anyone should be ashamed of themselves shouldn't it be the owner of the pit bull who did not have his dog muzzled in direct contravention of Ontario law?

Both dogs should have been muzzled, since Lance has shown dog aggression before.

[Lara's mom]

When he was with me, he was muzzled when he left my apartment. When he was rehomed, I was very honest with his new parents in that he was not friendly with other dogs and needed to be muzzled. I gave them his muzzle along with all of his other belongings. In fact, I even demonstrated to them outside with Lance firmly leashed that he did not like other dogs with the exception of his sister Lara. I'm not sure what else I could have done. I certainly didn't lie to them about him.

Lance's sister Lara who is from a different litter but has the same parents is an incredibly sweet little girl. In fact, neither of my two girls has EVER been in a fight and get along and play nicely with all of the other dogs in the building. Lara doesn't even chase squirrels or birds because her prey drive has been focused on balls.

Lance did not start the altercation that ended his life. He was a little boy who barely weighed 16 pounds. He was grabbed and basically savaged to death. Lance would be alive today if the owner of the pit bull had just obeyed the law. I don't get to choose arbitrarily which laws I will and will not obey. I don't think the owners of pit bulls should be above the law either.

[Deafdogsrule]

There are alot of dogs I believe should be muzzled around here... Not a single one of them is a Pit Bull. 90% of them are small dogs. We've been attacked 4 times by various JRT's, twice by Schnauzers, and once by a Husky... and there are loads of Pit Bulls around here... never been attacked by one of them yet.

Pit Bulls are not monsters, they are JUST DOGS!!!

[lange]

I agree that dog breeds shouldn't be banned but I think some sort of regulation isn't a bad idea either. The reality though is that you can tamper with genetics and predispose conditions with breeding. Because of that, some breeds are more easily triggered. Unfortunately, pit bulls are a part of this group (thanks to HUMAN tampering on this one), along with OTHER breeds as well and this isn't just the one's you usually hear mentioned. I'd bet my life that the majority of dog bites are caused by small dogs but aren't reported. If then, we judge all dogs equally then there should be a lot more breeds included in BSL. But again, all things aren't equal and the law seems to punish strength and size alone; along with regular people too, that is why many don't report dog bites by smaller dogs.

BSL is a quick fix to throw at people to appease the public & give the impression that the gov has some sort of control even when it doesn't. The gov doesn't have the money or resource to actually make sure these laws are being upheld, at least in the US... The only people who will abide by BSL are people who ultimately always abide by the law and guess what...are usually the more responsible parties. It's the same as banning guns...those people who you WOULDN'T want having guns are the one's who are going to get them illegally. Same as the one's who will still be breeding aggressive triggers into dogs. So, as always, these "quick fixes" NEVER tackle the real problems and ultimately just create more issues than we began with.

Hey, here's something interesting, "Approximately 92% of fatal dog attacks involved male dogs, 94% of which were not neutered1" Who's not neutering their dogs? Lets just get rid of dog owners who don't neuter.

[CorkyMax]

I wasn't going to get into this thread--But it is getting out of hand!!!

Deafdogsrule, I was 'shocked' at your heated reply to Lara's Mom!! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, whether you agree with it or not! I am neutral about pitbulls--I mean if the owner has ruined the dog--Yes, I am afraid to be around that dog. How would you feel if there were a couple of trained to be a fighter pit bulls out in an open field and you were out there with them and no one else in sight---Would you be afraid!!??--I certainly would--for my life! But if it was a well trained family pet--I would not be afraid of it. Trouble is how do you know sometimes which one is okay when you 1st meet one!?? I love dogs, period. I don't like what has happened with this breed because of stupid cruel owners!! I think there should be stiffer laws--not on the dog but on the owner---If a pitbull would kill a person or a pet---The owner should be jailed and trial for murder would not bother me at all!! Any attack by one should come back on the owner with very stiff fines, jail, etc. Maybe then these owners would 'listen up!'

I don't blame Lara's Mom for how she feels---If one had killed my dog I'd be more than upset!!! I wonder how you would react if a mean Pit killed your pets?---No matter if it is the owner's fault!

Quote-Deafdogsrule: No thank you. It's small minded people like you who are killing perfectly wonderful family pets, and letting PEOPLE off the hook.
Pit Bulls are not monsters, you made me very angry, sad and SICK. You would have done well at the Salem Witch Trials!!! The pitbull that killed Lara's Mom's dog was made into a monster and a killer ---Whether we like it or not--It was a monster--man made!!!

And that last quoted sentence--Pretty outlandish thing to say to a fellow member. This is suppose to be 'friendly' dog forum!! Let's keep it that way!!!!

[Deafdogsrule]

I have every right, I usually temper my statements, however. This one, I couldn't. I truly believe what I said, and I would say it again. I had a Pit Bull TYPE attack my 14 year old dog, I didn't blame the dog, I blamed the people who were sitting in the car letting their dog run uncontrolled in the dog park... Patches required stitches, however I know it wasn't the dogs fault, OR the breed's fault... Stupid lazy owners!

My sister had to get stitches in her Westie puppy from a GSD, she didn't blame the breed, and want it banned, just because it attacked her dog, it was THAT dog, and THAT owner.

DEED NOT BREED

Pit Bulls ARE NOT MONSTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they are JUST DOGS.

Use the brains god gave you! 30 years ago, the breed was known as the nanny dog, you never heard of them attacking anything. Now they're monsters??? Give me a break

[CorkyMax]

I agree that it is the owner's fault and it is a shame that so many of the pitbulls have been turned into monsters/killing machines if you will. None the less they are MONSTERS when the idiots train them to be fighting/killing dogs. The ones that have been bred for fighting, etc are dangerous----Yes I feel sorry for them and it is not their natural way, BUT I sure don't want to see /hear of the bad ones hurting/killing babies, kids, any human beings or any other dogs!!!

And I still say it is not right that you 'ATTACKED' a member of this forum the way you did!! Also I don't care for you telling me to use my brains!! Maybe you should take your own advice about that! It may not be right to condemn the breed as a whole but you can't have the bad ones loose out there that will kill ----even if the owner is at fault! You don't leave murderers free to kill some more. I agree that the breed should not be banned but you still have to do something with the ones that have been made into monsters by stupid owners even if it is not the dog's fault and that goes for any breed, not just pitbulls---the individual dog no matter what kind it is!
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