[Lunareclipse]

I was wanting to know how many dog bite incidents there are per year where a dog bites a human, and I want to know how many dogs there are per year that are attacked by humans (abused). And I want a ratio to show the more dangerous species. And if at all possible, can we get a list of the the top 5 dogs that are reported for dog bite incidents?

[CorkyMax]

Here are some statistics. I'm afraid it is going to cause a lot of 'arguing' in here! Hey! Keep in mind This is not my 'opinions, etc---I am just the messenger and I am not saying these links are not biased either---Draw your own conclusions!! Will be back with more links if I find some. For now, these 4 links are from the same site--and there are many more pages to click on within these links.


[B]Dangerous Dogs - Pit bulls, Rottweilers and Fighting Breeds - DogsBite.org

U.S. Dog Bite Statistics - DogsBite.org

Breeds of Dogs Involved in Fatal Human Attacks in the United States Between 1979 and 1998 - DogsBite.org

Quick Statistics - U.S. Dog Bite Statistics - DogsBite.org[B]

This is a good read about the law, etc:

Dog attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is a report of all fatalities reported in the US from 1988 up to part of Sept. of this year. It lists the dogs, the names and ages of the victims, where it happened and more. Very informative ( and heartbreaking):

List of fatal dog attacks in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of fatal dog attacks in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of fatal dog attacks in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Luna, I don't think it possible to get a true list of dogs that are abused by humans----A lot more then what is on record (If there is any kind of report on this)--that wouldn't be known about. Impossible to get a true statistic!

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreation...ogbreeds-a.pdf

This site tells about dog bites, etc but I bring this link because of the fact that children are the main victims and it tells you how to prevent some of this from happening-----A good read for parents and children to see: Dog Bites

I had to put this link here in defense of the Pitbull----Myths of the Pitbull--> Pit Bull Myths

Hey, I think I'm done here now!

[Lunareclipse]

I will read it tomorrow when I get up. You know what I think though? I think there are more human attacks on dogs than there dog attacks on humans. MAybe humans should be outlawed as dangerous?

[lange]

You'll never have the answers you want. The best stats you can get will be from human deaths by dogs. Those stats will ultimately point the finger at bigger, more popular breeds that will probably have more irresponsible people as owners. All the rest of the info you want is not reported accurately to even bother with trying to be objective with it. People get away with far more than any dog would and bite statistics that aren't serious aren't usually reported.

Oh and I don't think we need stats or much proof to know the most dangerous species between both is the human!

[reeskujo]

Originally Posted by Lunareclipse

I will read it tomorrow when I get up. You know what I think though? I think there are more human attacks on dogs than there dog attacks on humans. MAybe humans should be outlawed as dangerous?

I've said the exact same thing many times over...I don't know why the pro BSL people can't get it through their hysterical minds that puppies are born just as innocent as human babies are!!..There's no doubt that along with bad owners comes bad breeders and that when those so-called breeders produce litters genetics can for sure play a role in a dogs temperament...However the majority of vicious dogs didn't start that way from birth but were created from the ignorant people that own them..I've used this example before and I will again now....The Michael Vick dogs...After all the abuse they went through and after being FORCED into aggression the few that were saved became certified therapy dogs..Had their aggression been genectic as pro BSL people say it is that would not have been possible!!...If a dog is genetically aggressive which again can happen through bad breeding you can't train the aggression out of them..You may be able to stifle it some but certainly not to the point where they can become a therapy dog..

To believe that a newborn puppy is born with an automatic mind set to attack people is just lunacy!!...It's also ridiculous to think that because a dog is a large breed that it's going to be more vicious then a small breed dog...I've worked with countless small breed owners who brought them to training classes after they've bitten their kids multiple times...I've only had a handfull of instances like that with large breed dog owners..That's not because small breeds are born that way it's because their idiot owners have not socialized them properly and have let them get away with bad behavior because they don't think they'll present the same dangers as a large breed if left uncorrected...I guess though since there are small dogs such as Cocker Spaniels that have a high bite rate we should ban them to...All though in that situation all of the pro BSL people would surely be blaming the owners not the breed!!!

[lange]

Originally Posted by reeskujo

I've said the exact same thing many times over...I don't know why the pro BSL people can't get it through their hysterical minds that puppies are born just as innocent as human babies are!!..There's no doubt that along with bad owners comes bad breeders and that when those so-called breeders produce litters genetics can for sure play a role in a dogs temperament...However the majority of vicious dogs didn't start that way from birth but were created from the ignorant people that own them..I've used this example before and I will again now....The Michael Vick dogs...After all the abuse they went through and after being FORCED into aggression the few that were saved became certified therapy dogs..Had their aggression been genectic as pro BSL people say it is that would not have been possible!!...If a dog is genetically aggressive which again can happen through bad breeding you can't train the aggression out of them..You may be able to stifle it some but certainly not to the point where they can become a therapy dog..

To believe that a newborn puppy is born with an automatic mind set to attack people is just lunacy!!...It's also ridiculous to think that because a dog is a large breed that it's going to be more vicious then a small breed dog...I've worked with countless small breed owners who brought them to training classes after they've bitten their kids multiple times...I've only had a handfull of instances like that with large breed dog owners..That's not because small breeds are born that way it's because their idiot owners have not socialized them properly and have let them get away with bad behavior because they don't think they'll present the same dangers as a large breed if left uncorrected...I guess though since there are small dogs such as Cocker Spaniels that have a high bite rate we should ban them to...All though in that situation all of the pro BSL people would surely be blaming the owners not the breed!!!

Yeah that is al true. And I think aggression is a bad word to use to begin with. I think triggers is more appropriate. Even with dog bites that aren't intentionally meant to cause harm, it's triggers that cause the reaction. It would be no more different (in a dogs eye) as a dog being triggered to bark. It's simply a reaction to a trigger.

It'd be more obvious if people could instead ask; what warnings did the dog first give before it bit? If we could read dogs better & realize humans trigger reactions on our own, then dog bites wouldn't be as much of an issue. At the same token, if the owners were better at observing, training, knowing the limitations of their dogs triggers (bite or other), and watching their dogs then incidents would be nil.

A perfect example is what yourself are going through..if after all the warnings you give your MIL, (AND Seigi gives her!) and the fact that an Akita has triggers that it will start reacting to (even if is sole intention isn't meant to inflect harm) simply because he is a DOG, and your MIL ended up getting hurt....why would someone just deem the dog vicious, when in fact is had proven over & over that it isn't.

It all comes from education...educating the breeders, the owners, and anyone who interacts with dogs, especially our kids.

At the same time, we all need to do our part to keep peace through LEASH LAWS. I'm sorry to anyone who likes walking their dogs off leash in PUBLIC, non-dog enclosed areas, but I think I'm a lot like people who are pro BSL when it comes to simple leash laws!...I personally can't stand owners who let their dogs off leash.

[reeskujo]

Lange I agree with you 100%...When it comes to triggers dogs are no different then humans..We all have triggers and things that we can't or won't tolerate and when faced with them we react and not always in a good way..The only difference here between us and them is that dogs can't speak to let you know when they've been triggered or pushed to their threshold...You're also right on target using Seigi as an example...He is a very sweet,gentle and loving dog but my MIL has continued to do all of the things we've told her will stress him out..Since she's refused to listen he's finally been pushed to the limit...Fortunetly he has given her warnings by barking first before he tries to snap which is actually something Akita's don't generally do..So here you have a prime example of a human causing and creating the situation for the dog to react in a negative way..

You have a dog with a great temperament, well trained and socialized and has never snapped at anyone..You have a dog who had someone kick his bone while it was still in his mouth and intentionally yet he still didn't react..However she continues to give him these triggers..Finally he's had enough and reacted...So does that now mean that he should be deemed dangerous because an ignorant human kept antagonizing him to the point that he's had enough?..Or should the poor dog be expected to simply tolerate this treatment from a stranger who doesn't like him in his own home?..

[Lara's mom]

Luna: The best that you're likely to find regarding humans hurting dogs would be in the stats of people charged with cruelty but, it wouldn't even come close to the real figures. It's like other crime stats; if it doesn't get reported, it doesn't get counted.

[Lunareclipse]

Why is it people are quicker to report a dog bite than they are to report animal abuse? Anyone know the psychology on that?

[reeskujo]

Originally Posted by Lunareclipse

Why is it people are quicker to report a dog bite than they are to report animal abuse? Anyone know the psychology on that?

Probably because they can't sue a person for abusing the crap out of their dog but they can the owner of the dog they get bit by..Sadly so many people still look at dogs as property instead of family members and therefore tend to turn a blind eye towards the neighbor who beats his dog on a daily basis or feeds it only once a week.

[lange]

I think it's partly that, a pay off and vindication, with reporting dog bites. With not reporting dog abuse, I think it's sometimes because it's someone ELSE'S dog or problem, it isn't their responsibility. Many people are too afraid to get involved. And I think as a society we just getting further into this mindset. Not to mention adults are now even afraid to correct kids. We're creating more & more a society of "What's in it for me?"