Anyone else use this? I have looked and looked into dog foods and all the by products and "meat meal" and I chose this dog food for my pup. Its sold at pet food stores only...ie...Petsmart, Concord Pet (special order) and some Petco's. So far, I think I did ok! Anyone else use it and have any comments? Thanks!

[puppylove2009]

Thats a real good one. Also if you ever decide you need to switch it up. Here are some other good ones.

Innova
California Naturals
Evo
Wellness
Solid Gold
Merrick
Orijen
Natural Balance

(the list goes on)

But I think you did good.

and thankyou for not feeding your dog that grocery store junk....


We believe that was the trigger in my dogs health issues

Actually meat meal (well a named meat meal, like beef meal) is actually better than just saying beef. Beef meal means that its JUST the beer after it has been dehydrated. Beef means that its beef plus the water, so once the water is gone, there isnt much beef left over.

Originally Posted by SwayRaines

Actually meat meal (well a named meat meal, like beef meal) is actually better than just saying beef. Beef meal means that its JUST the beer after it has been dehydrated. Beef means that its beef plus the water, so once the water is gone, there isnt much beef left over.

Really?

"Meat meal is an animal feedstuff produced by recycling animal by-products. "

PS28/PS024: Using Meat and Bone Meal in Poultry Diets

No, by products ARE the recycled meat crap (beeks, hooves, etc)

Like I said, it should be a NAMED meat product meal, and not just meat meal. As in Chicken meal, beef meal, fish meal.

Meat versus Meal on Pet Food Labeling:
What is the difference and what does it mean to your pets and you?

Meat
FACT: Chicken & Lamb are 70% water and only 15% protein
Pet food labels found in grocery and mass marketers like to use Chicken or Lamb to represent real meat. When used without the addition of meat meals, these protein sources contain 70% moisture, much of which is lost during cooking. The label leads the consumer to believe that the product is mostly meat based when it may not be. Chicken or lamb meats are heavier than grains prior to cooking, but not after. Although the inclusion of fresh meats may be beneficial, the moisture contained in the meats (70%) is reduced by two-thirds during the cooking process, possibly leaving the total formula as a grain based food after processing.


Meal
FACT: Chicken Meal and Lamb Meal are dry and 50% to 65% meat protein!
Example: CANIDAE All Life Stages lists Chicken Meal & Turkey Meal as the first ingredients. Chicken, Turkey and Lamb meals are nearly dry (10% moisture content) and contain 50% to 65% meat proteins. During cooking, the meat meals do not shrink below the grain weight, producing a true meat based formula for your pets. See the table below.


Once again, this is only the case if it is a NAMED meat meal. Such as beef meal, turkey meal, fish meal. No "meat meals"

Originally Posted by luvmydog2

Anyone else use this? I have looked and looked into dog foods and all the by products and "meat meal" and I chose this dog food for my pup. Its sold at pet food stores only...ie...Petsmart, Concord Pet (special order) and some Petco's. So far, I think I did ok! Anyone else use it and have any comments? Thanks!

We have a Saint Bernard 7 mos. old and he had trouble with most brands of food until we came across this brand. He is doing very well on it. 7 cups a day and not a morsel left in the bowl ! Good Luck

[CorkyMax]

Sorry guys----forget the commercial dog food and learn how to do raw (w/all the necessary LIVE ENZYMES) and do your dog a happy life-saving favor--the dog will love you for it!!!! If you want a dog w a lot fewer health problems and possibly live up to 10 years longer for it's life span and be happier(the dog!) while it's doing it--the only way to go is to keep the immune system healthy----and that means they have (need) to have the enzymes that are only in uncooked (RAW) foods. S_ _T---see some of the websites to look up that I have posted in this forum--Because you love your dog-all of them and about enzymes in the post titled--German Shepards-Nutrition----all dogs need live enzymes not just German Shepards--It's just that they have a bigger problem with getting the nutrition than other dogs--probably use up all their own enzymes faster than other breeds because they have this nutrition problem. PLEASE, PEOPLE-- STUDY ! STUDY! I LOVE DOGS, MY DOGS, YOUR DOGS----ALL DOGS!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Corky/Max

Sorry guys----forget the commercial dog food and learn how to do raw (w/all the necessary LIVE ENZYMES) and do your dog a happy life-saving favor--the dog will love you for it!!!!

As great as that sounds, its not the right fit for everyone. It is time consuming. I know it can cost less, but I barely have the time to cook for my husband and I, let alone the dogs.

High grade kibble can be just as healthy. Not to mention the crunchy kibble cuts down on tarter build up.

[CorkyMax]

Originally Posted by SwayRaines

As great as that sounds, its not the right fit for everyone. It is time consuming. I know it can cost less, but I barely have the time to cook for my husband and I, let alone the dogs.

High grade kibble can be just as healthy. Not to mention the crunchy kibble cuts down on tarter build up.

I really don't want to start a big commotion I just want to save the dogs!! I guess when you say 'time consuming' and not the right fit for everyone--it will all boil down to how much you love your dog and are willing to do for it!!
And you don't cook anything--It has to be raw to get the enzymes they need! Don't know 'how rich" you are--but if you can afford it----there are places (and reputable) you can buy this already done for you--like in patties. And if you can't afford that----It really isn't that time consuming once you get the hang of everything---you can mix (in bulk) and freeze and thaw appropriate sized pkgs for the meals. If people would just look up these websites I've given (in many places in this forum) and really read what they say--and you still had issues w/it---I'd sure be willing to try to explain as much as I can---but I can't put everything I know on this website if people won't read what's out there 1st----besides these sites can 'say' much more than I can possibly put in here and not LOL, have such a hard time trying to do it.:!:
And about the tartar build-up---I don't think kibble does anything for that--but raw meaty bones sure do as well as build better muscle (because of all the pulling and chewing-ripping-(hitting a blank here-can't think how to spell ?knawing--Misspelled! And there is no kibble that is healthier than raw--BECAUSE NONE OF THEM HAVE THE ENZYMES THAT ARE NECESSARY TO KEEP THE DOG HEALTHY----the key words are immune system and enzymes--Read please.

Okay not feeding raw does NOT make me any less of a good pet owner. I feed my dogs a 5 out of 6 star food. I was feeding a 6 star food but the feed shop I go to stopped selling it. I do not love my dogs any less than you do just because I dont feed raw!

Billboman99..... Thank you!! I had been feeding my bull terrier the same food..."Blue Buffalo"...because he (common to the breed) has a sensitive stomach....and other foods...(tried them all!!)....made him vomit or have "the runs"......but Blue Buffalo came highly recommended...and I love it!! So, I figured I would feed it to the new puppy as well! I also sometimes add cottage cheese (about 2 times a month) just as an added treat!

[CorkyMax]

Originally Posted by SwayRaines

Okay not feeding raw does NOT make me any less of a good pet owner. I feed my dogs a 5 out of 6 star food. I was feeding a 6 star food but the feed shop I go to stopped selling it. I do not love my dogs any less than you do just because I dont feed raw!

I just knew I was opening up a can of worms--Maybe the best way to word it is to say uninformed for some people who love their dogs but are not 'getting it' THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO COMMERCIAL DOG FOOD THAT IS IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS FEEDING RAW UNLESS IT HAS NOT BEEN COOKED-PERIOD!!!! REPEAT the dog needs live-raw ENZYMES!--I hope you will do a little studying on all this and then if you still want to 'get on my case'--we can have a conversation about it all. Sorry that you feel like i stepped on your toes---I am only concerned about the well-being of all dogs. Then (and I'm not referring to you here)----Some people will stick their head in the sand and not want to hear because that means if they found out things were not being done right--they'd either have to change things for the better or try to ignore or/and have a guilty conscience about it all---and I place my own daughter in that category and she has 6 dogs besides having her grown kids and one of their boyfriends leave their dogs for her to babysit quite often. On that note--have to leave here now--my 2 dogs are 'bugging me' to have their much enjoyed raw supper!

Didnt realize I was getting on your case.

Raw feeding is your choice. I make sure that my dogs get a healthy diet, healthy treats, and healthy oils for their skin and coat. My dogs are incredibly healthy and pass their vet checks with flying colors every year.

But to say I love my dogs less just because I feed kibble is such an ignorant and out of place statement.

[CorkyMax]

Originally Posted by SwayRaines

Didnt realize I was getting on your case.

Raw feeding is your choice. I make sure that my dogs get a healthy diet, healthy treats, and healthy oils for their skin and coat. My dogs are incredibly healthy and pass their vet checks with flying colors every year.

But to say I love my dogs less just because I feed kibble is such an ignorant and out of place statement.

Well, I guess you can dwell on that statement if you want and take it 'so to speak' out of context---It was not directed specifically at you--My main concern is helping dogs. I only wish somebody had 'woke me up' to what I needed to know way back when my dogs were pups! I feel bad that I could of taken much better care of them if I had only known what I know now. They are now (in a couple of months) 10 and 11 and I only got 'smart' about two years ago when I did a lot of studying and unlike you, kept an open mind ('holler at me again--I don't care-as I said I'm in it for the dogs')! What you apparently (and I'm afraid most don't which is why it is so hard to get people to see what is happening) don't realize---Yes, young dogs are healthy now but if never given fresh enzymes-they are right now in the process of losing the enzymes they were born with and later on all will be used up--that leaves them open for getting diseases and other bad health issues and age and die before their time--dogs should live about 10 years longer than they do) They now have a compromised immune system because have no enzymes left! (this happens w/people too--teenagers for example (and I was there) think they can eat anything--junk foods,etc and they can get away w/it now--but it is later when the effects will show up. It is true--You are what you eat to which I will add-It doesn't always show till you get older.
I could say more about the dog's immune system being compromised also because of too many bad vaccinations, bad BAD medicines--some are killers and some ignorant, greedy,uninformed vets that are influenzed too much by the sponsers of their schooling (among other things)-Sponsers being dog food companies and possibly pharmacutical companies--H_ _l, the vets are even selling some of their crappy dog food--the sponsoring dog food companies!! Don't take what a vet says as gospel! Check out some things for yourself. You would be wise to check at least on what can happen when your dog is getting it's shots--of the possible immediate reactions--It could die if it has an immediate reaction and you can't get back to the vet in time to get the--getting tired here--been on this computer now pretty much for upwards of 12 hrs--can't think what to call the shot you need to stop the allergic reaction. If this would happen your pet could die because it wouldn't be able to breathe. I know I will be sitting in the vet's office for a good hour at least just to be safe--and most vets don't even warn you about any of this! And don't think that just because your dog didn't react from shots before that it can't happen next time--the immune system may not be able to handle anymore. Most vets have only been schooled about things like vitamin-supplements for about 1 day out of their whole schooling--at least that is what my vet told me when I asked her a question to do with that subject.
I have got to go eat something. It is now 9:30 pm and it is starting to get to me. You know--you don't have to listen to me but it's too bad you can't have an open mind and at least check out things--there is a lot on these sites I have posted elsewhere in this forum besides just on raw feeding that I bet you would find informative---at the very least please check out the sites to do w/vaccinations and their reactions. It could save your pet's life--which would make me very happy for you and the dog!! But it is up to you.(I'm done trying)
Bye

Originally Posted by billboman99

We have a Saint Bernard 7 mos. old and he had trouble with most brands of food until we came across this brand. He is doing very well on it. 7 cups a day and not a morsel left in the bowl ! Good Luck

I was just wondering what kind of trouble you were having. I have a 3 month old Newfie, and he will not eat. I have treid Nutro Max, Eukanuba, and Pro plan, he picks at it. I have heard about this food, and was wondering if your St. Bernard was just a pickiy eater like mine?

Those are poor quality foods. I recommend trying Blue Buffalo (which I feed to all my show dogs and they stay in TOP condition). Timberwolf is also great as is wellness, and natures variety prairie. There is a great list online ranking popular dog foods available at: www. The Royal Dog Grooming. Com (it is all one word just typed out with the spaces so you can see the spelling, etc.)

Raw food is also great but NOT for everyone. I recommend it but for me it does not work. If I am away at a dog show with 4 dogs for a week i cannot bring raw food for that amount of time if I am camping or in a hotel.

[puppylove2009]

Originally Posted by reginadunaway

I was just wondering what kind of trouble you were having. I have a 3 month old Newfie, and he will not eat. I have treid Nutro Max, Eukanuba, and Pro plan, he picks at it. I have heard about this food, and was wondering if your St. Bernard was just a pickiy eater like mine?

I just wanted to say I had a dog with tummy problems that wouldn't eat anything. He is a poodle. Anyways we force fed him the first 10 months of his life.....we then put him on California Naturals (its made by Natura same people that made Innova and Evo) and he is so excited at meal time now.....and he eats every last bite.....his coat had faded from apricot to white and now he has more and more apricot in it every day and our other dog well her coat is so shiny....they have no bad breath infact there breath doesn't smell of anything....I'm happy we made the change......ofcourse we chose California Naturals becuase its easier on dogs with tummy problems like mine has but all 3.....California Naturals, Innova, and Evo are good foods.


Raw is also good but not right for everyone....I personally can't feed it I don't have the stomach for it and it does seem to be pretty expensive so i feed the best quality food I can....(I did consider Raw when my dog got sick but was adviced against it since he has pancreatitis)

Good foods to try are: Wellness, Canidae, Taste of the Wild, Orijen, Merrick, Solid Gold, Natural Balance, Evo, Innova, Canidae.


Also my dogs tried Nutro and it made them real sick....by the way Mars candy bars recently bought out nutro (do you want to feed your dog food that is made by Mars)


Stay away from Purina, eukanuba, pedigree the list goes on....we firmly believe this is what triggered my dogs illness (he is a breed that is prone to it but he is only a year old and has never had table scraps just crappy food at first)

I've got 2 unrelated boxer mixes. They both were started on Nutro Max. I then switched them to Iams Lamb & Rice b/c I heard good reviews and I could get it at the grocery store. My older one (4 yrs old) does excellent on it. He's in top notch health and his coat is shiny. My younger one (3 yrs. old) has developed crystals in his pee & gets skin rashes all the time. Vet put him on Royal Canin O/S for 2 months and the rash is gone. Waiting on the urinlysis to come back today to find out status of crystals. I asked the vet Saturday that if the crystals are gone, what brand would he recommend I put the younger one on? He suggested Science Diet or Eukanba.

My husband saw an ad for Blue Buffalo in a magazine. We looked it up and saw that they used "human grade ingredients" which is important according to a book I read last week "Feeding your dog for life" by Diane Morgan. I highly recommend this book. Lots of info. I bought the chicken and brown rice version Sunday and they ate it.

Definitely looking for other people's opinions of this brand.

Iams is a horrible food. Anything that you can buy at a grocery store is crap. The reason is because they use a lot of fillers, and the most common filler is corn. Dogs dont digest corn. So why do they use it you might ask? Because its cheap. Thats why you can buy the food for so cheap.

Another good fact is that when feeding higher grade kibble, because the ingredients are so good and easily digestible, the dog has to eat less. Which means that they poop less. And everyone can agree that pooping less is a good thing!