[goldenlover]

I have a beautiful golden puppy 11wks. old. He is only crated at night for sleeping and doing very well. We take him out constantly to do his business and he will do it but come in and go in his crate and pee again. This little guy is being taken out at least every two hrs. if not more.

[Yogi]

Lets start with the first question, how large is the crate? Then we can work from there.

[Marc]

Agree with Yogi - start with crate size

In order of probability:

1) crate's too big
2) not getting out enough (sounds like he is though)
3) drinking too late at night, too soon before bed
4) medical issue that your vet needs to check

[Lunareclipse]

Besides the size of the crate, most puppies don't pee out everything in thier bladder when they go out. Most generally pee two or three times before their bladder is fully empty. Leave your dog out for a longer period and see if it pees more than once. That could be the problem too.

[DawnieDogg]

Hey guys...I also agree w/ a lot of everyone elses advice. Seems like every post/reply I've read so far have been really offering great advice!
I have always been really into a dog's psyche. The 1st thing that came to my mind after reading the posted question went deeper than him not being able to hold his bladder. He has shown that he understands pee/poo belongs outside. I also think your crate & schedule are probably also ok.
He just might be smarter than you think! Most pups initally don't want to go inside the crate and be seperated from his family. I bet he has put 2 & 2 together, & might be training you. He has realized that when he goes outside & relieves himself. He gets praise (attention). Then back inside for the night, into his crate. I think he may be learning YOUR habits. Ok, he pees in the crate, he gets attention. Positive or negative, he's still getting attention. Next, the crate door opens, he runs out, & now has more "play-time" before bed while you are cleaning his mess for the night.
Have you tried leaving the crate door open at bedtime? This makes his area more like a den & not a prision cell. Which will make him more comfy & less likely to urinate in the crate. If you think his bladder can't make it through the night, try placing a wee-wee pad just outside of the crate.
Hey...if you haven't tried this yet...well its definately worth a try! Let me know if this helps you out. Bye Guys!!!

[Yogi]

Originally Posted by DawnieDogg

Hey guys...I also agree w/ a lot of everyone elses advice. Seems like every post/reply I've read so far have been really offering great advice!
I have always been really into a dog's psyche. The 1st thing that came to my mind after reading the posted question went deeper than him not being able to hold his bladder. He has shown that he understands pee/poo belongs outside. I also think your crate & schedule are probably also ok.
He just might be smarter than you think! Most pups initally don't want to go inside the crate and be seperated from his family. I bet he has put 2 & 2 together, & might be training you. He has realized that when he goes outside & relieves himself. He gets praise (attention). Then back inside for the night, into his crate. I think he may be learning YOUR habits. Ok, he pees in the crate, he gets attention. Positive or negative, he's still getting attention. Next, the crate door opens, he runs out, & now has more "play-time" before bed while you are cleaning his mess for the night.
Have you tried leaving the crate door open at bedtime? This makes his area more like a den & not a prision cell. Which will make him more comfy & less likely to urinate in the crate. If you think his bladder can't make it through the night, try placing a wee-wee pad just outside of the crate.
Hey...if you haven't tried this yet...well its definately worth a try! Let me know if this helps you out. Bye Guys!!!

Sorry, but 50 years of dog raising, rescue and breeding proves that this concept is wrong. Crating in no way is an issue that creates this. I crate train all my dogs and start when they are pups. Those that I have rescued include one that was 10 years of age and never been crated. It took just 2 days and she willingly went in every evening with door shut and crate covered. Feeding the dog in the crate is what ensures in the dogs mind it is a secure place and a den should never be the size of a house. You are inviting the dog at night to alleviate itself outside of the crate. Staying with a routine religiously is half the battle. The other half is ensuring the pup has ample exercise daily so that at night it is too tired and wants nothing more than to sleep. The crate is not a cell. It is a useful tool that when those with knowledge of their use, use them correctly are never looked upon as anything more than what they are, a safe quiet place of retreat for a dog. Mine during the day go in regularly and find it a place of security away from the others when they want to nap. I can assure you, they do not see their crates as a cell. That philosophy hints at implying that those of us who use crates do so as a means of dealing with a dog that is being disciplined as if being sent to jail.

[DawnieDogg]

You're completly right, the crate isn't a "cell" it is more like a den & a safe place for young pups, however, misinformed owners or not researching it before making a appropriate decision can really make things more difficult. The dog should be able to stand up, turn around, and lay comfy in their den. SOME owners choose crate training for the right reasons, some iggnorant owners will use it to keep them confined and enclosed for too many hrs straight.
If a owner is looking to purchase a crate for potty training reasons and buys too big of a crate, puppies will pee in one corner, poo in the other corner, which defeats the whole purpose. 90% of dogs will not pee&poo where they rest their head. So you should pay attention to your dogs clues, such as whimpering or scratching @ the cate door. This is a dogs way of letting us know..."eh...I gotta go!" So with the right sized crate, and a routine outside bathroom schedule...crates can def do the job.
My prior reply just happened to be 1 of my personal expieriences that worked for me. But that's what's so cool about this forum. We can all exchange tricks and advise with 1 another. Well thanks for replying back. Have a great nite. Time 4 bed 4 me....lot of dogs to groom tomm.