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Originally Posted by dumdog1964 treats can work, but, thats cheating and what do you do when you run out of treats and your dog is running loose like a moron? most dogs will do what you ask if you just ask and praise the crap out of them. |
When treats are used properly in training, this is not an issue because treats come
after the behavior is performed rather than before it is performed. Treats are then offered intermittently and in combination with a variety of other rewards and can easily be faded out.
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Think about it this way... do you see the alpha wolf handing out snacks to his sub members? No. you do see him wagging his tail and mouthing or rubbing shoulders with them when they are behaving or submitting to him...
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Do you see the alpha wolf walking sub members on leashes? There are numerous things that we do that you might not see an alpha wolf or even another dog do. Why? Because we are not wolves, we are not dogs and dogs are not wolves.
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pats and scratches work better than treats.
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Maybe for your dogs but certainly not for all dogs. Not all dogs are that motivated by pats and scratches. Motivators can vary from one dog to another.
Bribe? I don't believe anyone suggested
bribing the dog. There is a huge difference between a reward and a bribe. When used as a reward, the treat is NOT used to initiate the behavior but is given after the behavior is offered.
Think about the way you use pats and scratches....
Your dog performs a desired behavior and you reward him with pats and scratches. If the dog is motivated by pats and scratches then pats and scratches work to increase the desired behavior. Are you bribing the dog with pats and scratches?
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he should want to please you out of respect, not food...
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IMO, this is a huge misconception. Through training and repetition dogs learn to respond out of habit, not out of respect.
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that waslike... the onlysmart thing this person said.
yeah teach them playfighting if you want, but its NOT wise to allow them to do that with your hands... unless your dog is a five pound chihuahua or something. its just safer to use a decoy, a rope, old towel, etc.
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Maybe you misunderstood the point of the article....
The article is geared toward teaching the puppy to inhibit the force of his bites
before teaching him not to bite at all. You can't teach bite inhibition if you never allow the puppy to bite in the first place.
Since large dogs can do more damage, the larger the dog the higher the importance of teaching bite inhibition IMO.
The author of that article is Dr. Ian Dunbar, a well known and highly respected veterinary behaviorist.