[sandyh]

I am an avid cesar millan watcher. I have learned alot from his show. And it is not fake they use timers right on the show so you can see how long it takes him to help these dogs. ( 9 out of 10 times its not the dogs its the owners who need the training or the help as they are misinformed.
cesar millan is dog psychology not behavior training. and every thing he says makes sense. i have raised alot of dogs in my time and i cant believe all i have learned. it is played on national geographic channel or go to Welcome to Cesar Millan's Official Web Site

The key to a well behaved dog begins with the proper way to walk a dog so they stay calm and submissive.

Although Cesar may be an expert in dog psychology, I do not always 100% agree with everything that he says and teaches. I'm not advising anyone as to what opinion to have on him, but I am not an avid fan.

[Lara's mom]

I don't care for a lot of his methods either.

[sandyh]

what methods do you not agree with.

[sandyh]

Originally Posted by RSmith103

Although Cesar may be an expert in dog psychology, I do not always 100% agree with everything that he says and teaches. I'm not advising anyone as to what opinion to have on him, but I am not an avid fan.

Are you saying that what he shows and tells you on his show is for the most part maybe not 100 % is not the same that you offer in your book that you are trying to sell
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[Lara's mom]

I for one, am not attempting to sell a book or anything else for that matter. It's hard to explain. There is just something about the guy that "rubs me the wrong way". I find his attitude toward the owners to condescending. I've seen him gather up all a dogs toys and take them away. Why? I cannot even begin to fathom the sense of that. Dogs, just like children need toys to stimulate and entertain them.

I suppose I'm a bit of a rebel in that I like to see my girls individual personalities shine through. I've never wanted a "Stepford Dog". I've taught my girls what they need to know in order to be safe and to not annoy other humans or dogs. I guess my feeling is that he overtrains. I've never considered either of my girls as "lesser beings". We're a family. In fact, they're the only family I have left so, I want their lives to be filled with fun rather than constant orders from me. Does that make sense to you?

[sandyh]

Originally Posted by Lara's mom

I for one, am not attempting to sell a book or anything else for that matter. It's hard to explain. There is just something about the guy that "rubs me the wrong way". I find his attitude toward the owners to condescending. I've seen him gather up all a dogs toys and take them away. Why? I cannot even begin to fathom the sense of that. Dogs, just like children need toys to stimulate and entertain them.

I suppose I'm a bit of a rebel in that I like to see my girls individual personalities shine through. I've never wanted a "Stepford Dog". I've taught my girls what they need to know in order to be safe and to not annoy other humans or dogs. I guess my feeling is that he overtrains. I've never considered either of my girls as "lesser beings". We're a family. In fact, they're the only family I have left so, I want their lives to be filled with fun rather than constant orders from me. Does that make sense to you?

i havent seen the episode that you are speaking of yet where he takes away the toys and doesnt give them back , but i will have to watch for that one. As far as the condescending. i agree he has been that way to a couple of people because he is called out to help them he goes he explains and they dont want to believe him they don't even try to do it his way so he has to get sterner in order to make them see where the fault is so he can move on and help them help their dogs. Theres been a couple shows where i cant believe how stupid these people are. one was were the dog would bite her own kid but not discipline their dog. but if the kid did something wrong had no problem disciplining the kid, it all comes down to when the dog is doing wrong they are not willing to discipline the dog which result in the behavior problems they called him out to fix. does this make sense to you?

[Lara's mom]

Actually, it does. I'm willing to admit that I'm not a great disciplinarian. Also, I agree with you that that there are some pretty clueless owners out there. I've always tried to use positive reinforcement with my girls and with the rescues I've fostered over the years. It takes longer but it does work.

Another thing I don't agree with Mr. Milan about is the issue of dogs being allowed to sleep on the owners bed or share the furniture. I just don't see how the three of us sleeping together (four if you count the cat) in any way causes them to be dominant. My girls are both gentle spirits. You can take anything away from them without fearing you'll be growled at or bitten. Likewise, you can have your hand in their food bowls as they eat without any fear. You may think I'm nuts but, as far as I'm concerned, this is their home too. Why shouldn't they cuddle with me at night or snooze on the sofa while I'm watching TV or crocheting?

I realise that my opinion is probably in the minority but, treating my girls like family has always worked for me and, likewise those that I've fostered. They've all felt comfortable and secure in my home and, I can honestly say that I've never been bitten either by my own dogs or my furry foster kids. So, I figure I must be doing something right.

[Lara's mom]

I just visited his official website to have a look around and I was not at all impressed to discover that Milan discourages people from adopting from shelters and rescue organizations. In my book, that is one HUGE insurmountable black mark against him!!! To my way of thinking, no dog lover would take this point of view. I cannot have ANY respect for someone who claims to love dogs but who would advocate such a thing.

I'm aware that among a relatively small minority of people on the forum, mixed breeds are viewed as "mistakes and lesser than" pure bred dogs. I beg to differ. While many others bought "the perfect dog" from a breeder, I, and thousands of others like me have rescued shelter and rescue dogs my whole life. The first pure bred dog I ever had is my Lara who I bought last year (an adorable little shorty wire haired jack russell terrier). She is a wonderful little dog and I love her with all of my heart but, is she better than any of the mixed breeds I've shared my life with? NO!!! I also have a border collie X who is an equally wonderful dog and who I love every bit as much.

A pedigree does not necessarily make a better pet than a mixed breed. All dogs are deserving of our love, compassion and care. I simply cannot wrap my head around Milan's thinking on this subject. This is not the attitude of a true dog lover. I didn't care much for the man before. I care for him one hell of a lot less now.

[Lunareclipse]

I personally don't care for Ceaser Milan. I like Victoria Stilwell. She teaches you how to train your dog in ways that are fun for the owners and the dog as well. I like her later shows better than her earlier shows. She seems more relaxed in her later shows. I have watched Dog Whisperer and have never really made a connection with that dude. His training seems so impersonal. I want to form a bond with my dog while training it. Not be a prison warden.
I am totally in league with Lara's mom. I have adopted mixed breeds and got a wonderful, loving, obedient companion. All you need for any dog, purebred or mixed is love, understanding, patience, training, and your time. And if you can get a suitable dog from a shelter, by all means do so. It's the the dog's fault he was born. He needs loving too.